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New OC Chan Gailey system is a perfect fit - For Josh Rosen

artdnj said:
Maybe, just maybe Gailey was hired or may be hired to work with Rosen. If thats the case no way we give up the farm for Tua or Burrow
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I have to agree. Sadly for the peanut gallery, we don't get to know their thinking until draft day. I absolutely agree with their desire to keep that thinking behind lock and key until then, too.
 
Eesti said:
Thanks for the post.

I have read from a couple different sources that Gailey has a reputation for adapting and evolving to his personnel (which I like). There is going to be an infusion of new players with many of them being young players so it has been noted that they want to implement an offense that is easier to learn. He has had success and failures but he was often given teams with limited talent and questionable front offices.

I don't know if he has ever had a franchise QB in his prime.

Here is one article/blog that talks about his teams and tendencies. It was written as he joined the Bills in 2015. Chan Gailey
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He never had a true franchise QB. He was well known to be highly adaptable and get the most out of QBs. One offense featured a lot of play action (with Fiedler), the other featured a spread offense (with Tyler Thigpen) and also a power run offense with QBs like Kordell Steward and Mike Tomsczak. Fitzpatrick had some of his best years under him.
Besides being an offensive genius (in some ways) he is great in developing players and tailoring an offense to the players he has.

Having Chan Gailey on the staff bolds well for any QB (be it a vet like Fitzpatrick or a young guy like Rosen or a newly drafted QB), RB and OL player. With Chan Gailey the question about QBs is not answered. It opens up everything. Only guarantee there is that Fitzpatrick will be here either as a mentor or as a starter. Any other QB is open. If the staff feels good with our current threesome we will bypass QBs this draft. If they are not sure or are not convinced we may draft a QB.
If I look at the switch Rosen's chances increased while with O'Shea we probably would have drafted a QB for sure. O'Shea was never a fan of Rosen. Rosen was a Flores/Grier trade.

Our offseason will definitely be very interesting.
 
i'm totally ok with being surprised on draft day due to nothing leaking...finger's crossed that their doing their due diligence and have a plan of attack am I am quite sure they do. I'll back them as I have little else to bitch about but I know I'm tired of losing and having my superbowl on draft day
 
I don't know about perfect fit, but from what I've read about O'Shea's offense and Rosen's struggles this year, it would certainly be a better offense for him. Supposedly O'Shea's offense puts all adjustments on the QB and Rosen just couldn't handle it all. Of course as was already mentioned, the same reasoning could be used for a rookie QB. I don't think I buy the idea that Gailey was brought in because of the Fitzpatrick connection. Fitz did quite well down the stretch in O'Shea's offense. Personally I think bringing in Gailey has more to do with our overall offensive personnel, i.e. several good options at receiver (including Gesicki) and having zero good prototypical tight ends.
 
Padfoot said:
I don't know about perfect fit, but from what I've read about O'Shea's offense and Rosen's struggles this year, it would certainly be a better offense for him. Supposedly O'Shea's offense puts all adjustments on the QB and Rosen just couldn't handle it all. Of course as was already mentioned, the same reasoning could be used for a rookie QB. I don't think I buy the idea that Gailey was brought in because of the Fitzpatrick connection. Fitz did quite well down the stretch in O'Shea's offense. Personally I think bringing in Gailey has more to do with our overall offensive personnel, i.e. several good options at receiver (including Gesicki) and having zero good prototypical tight ends.
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As I was doing my research trying to find as much out about Gailey and the Rosen situation one thought did come to me that perhaps O'Shea was released because Flores was unhappy with his development of Josh Rosen and he felt the system wasn't the right fit for him.
 
artdnj said:
i'm totally ok with being surprised on draft day due to nothing leaking...finger's crossed that their doing their due diligence and have a plan of attack am I am quite sure they do. I'll back them as I have little else to bitch about but I know I'm tired of losing and having my superbowl on draft day
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Same here. Though I am on the side of bypassing a QB this draft I wouldn't be to upset if they draft one. This staff from Grier on down has respect from me because of last season and I will give them the leverage and trust this offseason to do the right thing. Until they prove me wrong I am behind them.

I do think though that some leaks will happen eventually and FA will tell us a lot on how we will approach the draft.
 
Ryan1973 said:
That's all fine and dandy but it won't prevent the Dolphins from drafting another QB with their first pick come April. They would be stupid to put all their eggs in the Rosen basket at this point.
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I don’t think they will go with QB at 5 but that is just my opinion. I think they will go offensive line or defensive line or CB with pick #5.
 
DOLFANMIKE said:
I've been searching around trying to figure our a few things about changing our OC, and specifically interested in why we may have hired Chan Gailey. Chan is a well known commodity and likes the Spread and various Power formations in his scheme. Basically he likes extremes. Force them to defend overwhelming formations and try to fool them on some Play Action when you can. It's been pretty well documented that there are ties between Fitzpatrick and Gailey, but there's also some things about Josh Rosen that could bode well for him getting another strong look. Here's some things I've found reading up on various posts all over the internet about Gailey and how his scheme may be perfect for Rosen.
From a reddit article:
The case for Josh Rosen and the spread offense.

Rosen ran the spread offense in high school. Here you can find a breakdown of Rosen's success in the scheme during high school. This is how he first learned to play QB.

Rosen ran an up-tempo spread scheme early in his college career as well. As a freshman in the system, he passed for 3,670 yards with 23 TDs, 11 INTs, a 60% completion percentage, and a rating of 134.3.

After Kingsbury was hired by the Cards, he made numerous comments about Josh Rosen being a great fit for his offense. Ultimately they chose Kyler Murray, but it was made clear that they did so because they believed Kyler to be a generational talent, not because Rosen doesn't fit into the spread. Kingsbury said of Rosen, " Josh is a tremendous player, I've always thought, watching him at UCLA. He played his best football in a spread system, some similarities to what we do."

Rosen ran these concepts with great success throughout high school and to start his college career, then he was forced to endure a litany of new coordinators every year. Chan Gailey will be Rosen's 7th offensive coordinator in the last 5 years and his 4th NFL-level coordinator.

Of course, all of the Rosen speculation is for naught if Tua declares and we snag him at 5. But maybe the universal Tua love from Grier and Ross was just a smoke screen. Perhaps they had to change plans when Tua went down with the hip injury. Either way, there's no denying the fact that switching to a spread offense could not only benefit us in the short term with Fitz, but it also plays into the strengths of Josh Rosen.

Gailey makes sense on all 3 different scenarios:
Fitz is the starter next year
Fitz is the starter next year until Rookie overtakes him
Fitz is the starter next year until Rosen develops or Rosen overtakes him early and starts

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Gailey has a history of running a spread offense, and the Dolphins will likely implement more of that in 2020. But that doesn't mean strictly pass-happy. Gailey has led successful run offenses and he will try to establish that approach in Miami.

Some players described the Dolphins' offense under O'Shea as complex. The expectation under Gailey will be to run an offense that is easier to understand, which should help mold a young roster that will most likely include a rookie quarterback. Developing Rosen is on that to-do list as well.

Gailey's arrival is a big positive for Fitzpatrick, who played for the veteran coach in Buffalo as well as with the New York Jets. The reunion helps Fitzpatrick's chances to return in 2020 as the incumbent starting quarterback.

There are some thoughts though that the Dolphins have seen enough of Josh Rosen, and there are 5 teams that may want to trade for him in 2020
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5 potential new teams for Josh Rosen in 2020

The Miami Dolphins have apparently seen all they want to of him, so here are five possible new teams for Josh Rosen in 2020.
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I'm looking forward to seeing how our QB situation sorts itself out this offseason... Round one will tell us quite a bit of how much of a look we can expect Rosen to get in Gailey's new scheme.
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Great post!
 
1972forever said:
I don’t think they will go with QB at 5 but that is just my opinion. I think they will go offensive line or defensive line or CB with pick #5.
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Not if Tua is sitting there. I can't see them passing on him as long as he has no setbacks with his hip.
 
Great post OP.

But I seriously hope the Fins arent shaping their whole offensive coaching staff around a QB that has completely failed at the NFL level, who couldnt beat a journey man below average QB and havent seen any real games reps since benching him.
phins_4_ever said:
Fitzpatrick had some of his best years under him.
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To be fair, he also had his worst under Gailey, which also happens to be the most recent one...
 
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