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NFL bans "horse-collar" tackle

SCall13 said:
I can ASSURE you that both Atwater and Lott used the "horse collar" tackle on more than a couple of occasions. It won't be long and they will ban another type of tackle...then probably another. Football is a rough sport. People get hurt. I can see banning dirty hits or blocks, but there are quite a few occasions when the horse collar tackle is a must, last resort to save a TD. And defenders are paid to stop the offense from scoring.
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So are you saying Roy had no other alternative??? I think not. Im sure a lot of players had to use it in a last ditch effort to stop a play but that wasnt the reason it got banned.. It got Banned because Roy Williams was using it to hurt other players... I seem to remember the uproar on this board when chambers was concussed and missed some time with helmet to helmet that could have been avoided. Im sure the view on this would be a whole lot different if it was Randy or Chris who had their careers ended from this tactic...It would be crazy to think that other nflers werent watching that "technique" and thinking of employing it themselves..there needed to be a message sent and it was...I dont like that particualr move just like I dont like the chop-block and Im happy to see it and the abusers not able to use it...I enjoy a good hit as much as the next fan.. maybe more so but I also like them to be clean.
 
would this be a "horse-collar" tackle?
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or is this?... well the one he was about to make before the other guy came along

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The first one is a "close-line" also a B*tch tactic. the second was an attempted "horse-collar" that ended with a nice clean (and I must say sweet) crushing.


*EDIT* In the second case that follow up tackle probably saved Porters Knees from some damage.
 
IF you saw any of the four! Roy williams "horse collars" that caused injury he was more than able to use a "form" tackle in all cases but he CHOSE to use the collar. Im all for intimidation but there is a difference between the kind of intimidation the KC line has with enforceing its will on the defense and pummeling it into submission and the "intimidation" factor the Denver line gets with diving into the back of a defenders unprotected knees. This is the same thing to me. Roy had the intimidation with his tough play before this.. there is no need to allow him to use what looks like a WWF move in the nfl.
 
I agree w/ Zeke. It's not a coincidence that these guys keep getting injured when Williams uses that technique. People can complain all they want but these are not the old "barbaric" days where anything was legal. There is too much money invested in these players and their careers are short enough as it is so anything to protect the player w/o ruining the game is fine by me.

I do remember when the great Dwight Stephenson had his career ended, I think it was Marty Lyons who ended his career. Not a proud moment in Jets history.
 
zeke0123 said:
So are you saying Roy had no other alternative??? I think not. Im sure a lot of players had to use it in a last ditch effort to stop a play but that wasnt the reason it got banned.. It got Banned because Roy Williams was using it to hurt other players... I seem to remember the uproar on this board when chambers was concussed and missed some time with helmet to helmet that could have been avoided. Im sure the view on this would be a whole lot different if it was Randy or Chris who had their careers ended from this tactic...It would be crazy to think that other nflers werent watching that "technique" and thinking of employing it themselves..there needed to be a message sent and it was...I dont like that particualr move just like I dont like the chop-block and Im happy to see it and the abusers not able to use it...I enjoy a good hit as much as the next fan.. maybe more so but I also like them to be clean.
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You are talking helmet to helmet hits. This has NOTHING to do with what is being discussed here. Pulling someone down from behind is one of the most common forms of tackling there is -especially be pursuing defensive backs. Watch the score boards light up this season.

Pulling someone down from behind is dirty? Come on!
 
nick19991 said:
would this be a "horse-collar" tackle?
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As mentioned this is a clothesline which is rightly banned as it endangers players lifes and can easily cause paralsys, a cut above the "horsecollar" tackle which is no more dangerous to the legs than any other tackle from behind
 
AirChambers84 said:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8501364

I guess certain defenders like Roy Williams took advantage of this and ruined it for everybody else

Note: I started this thread before and it was "moved".......... I guess we gotta make room for more Ricky threads ?? :confused:
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Good...Isn't that how Bo Jackson got hurt?
 
SCall13 said:
You are talking helmet to helmet hits. This has NOTHING to do with what is being discussed here. Pulling someone down from behind is one of the most common forms of tackling there is -especially be pursuing defensive backs. Watch the score boards light up this season.

Pulling someone down from behind is dirty? Come on!
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:confused: Helmet to helmet gets fine when it is intentional correct??? what the hell could be wrong with fining someone when they horse collar someone with intent to do injury??? what Roy did looked real "on-purpose" to me there was a choice to be made here.. leave it in and start having any DB with a little "cheap" in them to start using this "tactic" If you watched the clips its obvious that Roy was using it as a substitute for a hard hit since he had no angle to bring the wood...but there has to be some way of protecting the player from POINTless injurys.
 
He was running stride for stride on most of the plays with a chance of using any number of ways to tackle them..He CHOSE to collar them. I dont understand why this would be OK with any football fan, seeing rbs and wrs knees snapping is not my idea of fun..I agree that taking a tool out of the defenses tool shed sucks but it was being miss-used to say the least.
 
If you need to grab hair or shoulder pads then you are not a good defender, I always thought it should have been banned. Because it does more damage than good. But hey its only 15 yards, if you feel a need to do it, you probably still will. Its like a facemask now, but with a fine if its malicious.Which is what roy willaims was using it for.
 
zeke0123 said:
:confused: Helmet to helmet gets fine when it is intentional correct??? what the hell could be wrong with fining someone when they horse collar someone with intent to do injury??? what Roy did looked real "on-purpose" to me there was a choice to be made here.. leave it in and start having any DB with a little "cheap" in them to start using this "tactic" If you watched the clips its obvious that Roy was using it as a substitute for a hard hit since he had no angle to bring the wood...but there has to be some way of protecting the player from POINTless injurys.
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Yeah, I can see that Roy Williams KNEW that Owens' leg would bend in that awkward ankle. :shakeno:
I can just imagine what Williams was thinking: "Let's see if I can grab Terrell, pull him down from behind and rip some ligaments in his knee."
There is a HUGE difference between pulling someone down from behind and leading with your head.
I'd hate to see todays football players play the players of the '70s. There is no doubt which era was tougher. The players nowadays play paddycake compared to the players in the '70's era.

By the way, I hate the Cowboys and would never defend a player on their team. But I just don't believe there was intent to injure on that play.
 
i think its good but not great, if will be inforced hopefully well well not when people run up the middle refs will need to really look closely up the middle
 
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