No, dave, I'll tell you what the real "sin" is..

[Superself]

You want to set the standards high. The ultimate goal is the SB. Anything short is failure. If you want to take an extreme position, then go all the way.

I choose not to "go all the way".
Just my opinion that playoff teams are above average while Miami was mediocre last year.

edited....oops!

 

[Superself]

Yet you try to logically rank all teams that miss the playoffs together. Why? That makes no more sense and THAT was the point of my post.....

I only said that Miami was mediocre for not making the playoffs...while you are someone else stated that Miami was above average last year. IMO they were not.

 

[Rafiki]

Wannstedt stated, "It's not a sin on this team if we punt the football. I think that's difficult for a lot of people to understand. There's nothing wrong with punting the football and playing defense."

I state: with thinking like that, I KNOW why the Fins are in trouble. No, it's not a sin. But it certainly shouldn't be considered a blessing either!

That has to be the second most assinine thing he has ever said in the press.

Exactly. Play to win or go home. You're not doing the team any favors by playing conservative and half-assed. Use your offensive weapons. Don't try to use the same strategy every week.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I'm speaking on consistent improvement.

Tying teams that make the playoffs doesn't count in my book. You do what you have to do to get there. You know how important each game is, therefore, you bring your AAA game to the table come game time when your playoff outlook is hinging on a W for that week.
If you can't get it done, then there is without a doubt someone who can.

That's all nice and good in a fantasy world, but guess what? In the real world, other teams are trying to do the same thing. The NFL is the toughest sport to make the playoffs. A small percentage of the teams make it and the NFL has the most parity.

 

[BlueFin]

Yeah but they lack the intelligence to give Dave the credit for putting that D together...

--Ross

Really? Did not Jimmy draft JT, Zach, Surtain, Madison, the heart then and the heart now of this defense? Were we not a top defense when Dumbstedt got here?

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I only said that Miami was mediocre for not making the playoffs...while you are someone else stated that Miami was above average last year. IMO they were not.

By definition 8-8 is average. 10-6 IS above average.

Miami was a flawed team last year, no doobt. I just don't put it all on coaching.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Really? Did not Jimmy draft JT, Zach, Surtain, Madison, the heart then and the heart now of this defense? Were we not a top defense when Dumbstedt got here?

We are better now.

7 out of 11 starters on D and all of the key reserves are from Wanny.....

Wanny was also forced to address the offense because JJ totally screwed that up.

JJ is an over rated a$$. Wanny has done much better than JJ.

 

[BlueFin]

To whoever said quit giving credit to JJ for putting the D together look at this (I think I got it right but correct me if I'm wrong).


J. Taylor: drafted by JJ
Z. Thomas: drafted by JJ
P. Surtain: drafted by JJ
S. Madison: brought in by JJ
B. Marion: brought in by JJ
D. Gardener (he was pretty good): drafted by JJ

I might have one or two of these wrong and I also might have missed some people. Now, look at what Wanny has drafted for us:

E. Moore: superstar LB (LOL)
J. Seau: love him but definitely past his prime
A. Edwards: barely beat out Bell and Freeman for safety spot
S. Knight: decent player lacking speed

From what I can tell, JJ did a much better job than Wanny. Wanny did however, bring in Chambers which is awesome......too bad he never looked for a decent QB to throw the ball to him.

Yimmie drafted madison, he also drafted Marion albeit at Dallas

 

[DA DICK]

No Doobt

 

[DA DICK]

We are better now.

7 out of 11 starters on D and all of the key reserves are from Wanny.....

Wanny was also forced to address the offense because JJ totally screwed that up.

JJ is an over rated a$$. Wanny has done much better than JJ.

At least JJ showed more promise and had a winning attitude. Not to mention a Super Bowl. How is that overrated.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

To whoever said quit giving credit to JJ for putting the D together look at this (I think I got it right but correct me if I'm wrong).


J. Taylor: drafted by JJ
Z. Thomas: drafted by JJ
P. Surtain: drafted by JJ
S. Madison: brought in by JJ
B. Marion: brought in by JJ
D. Gardener (he was pretty good): drafted by JJ

I might have one or two of these wrong and I also might have missed some people. Now, look at what Wanny has drafted for us:

E. Moore: superstar LB (LOL)
J. Seau: love him but definitely past his prime
A. Edwards: barely beat out Bell and Freeman for safety spot
S. Knight: decent player lacking speed

From what I can tell, JJ did a much better job than Wanny. Wanny did however, bring in Chambers which is awesome......too bad he never looked for a decent QB to throw the ball to him.

Could you be any more biased? There are 5 starters on this team from the JJ era, FIVE.

 

[pigskinguy]

The satisfaction with medocrity on the this board is astonishing.
Feidler is mediocre but the lineup to defend and love him is a mile long.
Wanny is mediocre but the lineup to defend and love him is a mile long.
This franchise will not get back to greatness until the fans begin to demand greatness.
With the talent on this team the last two years, it is absolutely unacceptable to miss the playoffs twice. Yet Feidler and Wanny were allowed to keep thier jobs and some of you still accept it.
Some of you need to lose the mantra that states...."Well we missed the playoffs but we won 10 games and just missed the playoffs so......"
That's good if you over-achieve with little talent and just missed the post-season. But this team under-achieved the last 2 years.
Talented teams that miss the playoffs is on the back of the coach.
So go ahead and continue to defend Wanny and see where it gets us this year.
Rant over.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

At least JJ showed more promise and had a winning attitude. Not to mention a Super Bowl. How is that overrated.

I missed the SB that he won in Miami.....

I like how fans give more credit to a winning 'attitude' than actually winning. Wanny's team have a better record than JJs teams. Period, end of discussion.

 

[DA DICK]

On this weeks issue of SI Wanny was among 4 coaches in a pole voted as the one worst coaches in the NFL

 

[DA DICK]

I was stating how is it that he is overrated; Right now who would you rather have JJ or DW? If you were to look at both of their resumes which one would be more promising. The only thing that I disliked about JJ is that he quit on us.