DeathStar
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julio ****ing sucks.
that is all.
that is all.
Official 2007 Florida Marlins Thread
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Alex44
Chicago Bears GM
I don't agree with those two.
And you named 11 others :tongue: which if those are the only ones, makes him #12
Anyway Julio really gets into trouble, he has great stuff but he can't find the plate. To his credit the Howard hit wasn't really his fault, if the outfield is playing normal depth it's a routine out. De Aza was way to far back to have a chance on it.
I think even Tommy Hutton doesn't like Julio, anyone else hear the way he said 'Thats what happens when you throw strikes!' and then later he talked about Julio getting his role changed if he continues to struggle.
Oh good news on Hanely. Seems like he will miss one game at most.
http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news...t_id=1886446&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla
Retnuhrace
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Lee Gardner for closer! 
BAMAPHIN 22
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4 (1-5) 
6 (4-2) WP: S. Olsen (2-0)
LP: Z. Segovia (0-1)
SP: L. Gardner (1)
MIAMI (AP) -The seventh inning summed up the Philadelphia Phillies ' futility: They walked four times and scored only one run.
Eleven bases on balls weren't enough to jump-start the struggling Phils, who stranded 14 runners and lost to the Florida Marlins 6-4 Sunday.
Touted as title contenders in the NL East, the Phillies are 1-5 for the third time in four seasons and the second year in a row.
''It's a concern. You can't say that it's not,'' said third baseman Wes Helms , a newcomer. ''It is only six games, but if you go 1-5 in the middle of the season, you don't look at it as much as when you are 1-5 at the beginning. We want to correct this quick. We don't want to get so far down that we have to climb and climb.''
The feeble Phillies went 2-for-11 with runners in scoring position, dropping their season average in those situations to .200.
Their final squandered opportunity came in the ninth. New Florida closer Jorge Julio struggled for the third appearance in a row, loading the bases with one out. Lee Gardner came on to earn his first career save by retiring Carlos Ruiz on a foul popup and striking out Michael Bourn looking.
''We couldn't get a big hit,'' Phils manager Charlie Manuel said. ''We will get them. When? That's the big question. We will get them. It's just a matter of time before we get them.''
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/recaps/2007/04/08/16740_recap.html
When the trade was made I thought it was to A)Get a guy who has closed before to fill in while Tank is hurt B)Be a set up man and C)Because Beinfest has tried trading for him every year since 2004. I'm shocked that he was even getting consideration to be our every day closer.
Pinto might get demoted when Tank is healthy. I like him, but his confidence isn't there right now, and he really struggled. Got to give props to Messenger today for getting out of Pinto's mess.
We're really lucky that the Phils line-up, despite what so many people might say, really isn't that good. As a guy who has the (mis)fortune of watching them on a consistent basis, Rollins and Utley are the only two guys that consistently get on base, and Howard/Utley are the only two that produce RBIs. The fact that they consider Wes Helms (a guy whose made a career of being a bench player) and Rod Barajas (a guy that the Texans have been begging to get DFA's for three years, and Blue Jay fans are happy they didn't sign) upgrades over what they had tells you how bad their line-up has been.
Mainge
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Julio's a bum. How can you confidently give him the 9th?
Kudos to Messy and Gardener for cleaning up those bases-loaded mess's.
Kudos to Messy and Gardener for cleaning up those bases-loaded mess's.
Alex44
Chicago Bears GM
I agree with that. I mean they are solid but very overrated.
Utley and Howard and both very good/great hitters but will they put up numbers like last year again? Rollins is pretty solid also but not spectacular. They won't play great defense, and after Howard the team is a bunch of guys who are either unproven or proven to be average players.
I like Wes Helms though, he is at least a solid everyday player. Again though average.
I'd love to see Owens get a shot to be the closer. I like Tank but something about a left handed closer just spooks me. Dont ask why.
JRol is overhyped because of the hit streak he had. If you loo at his numbers, they are not very impressive. And the defense is horrible. Helms is a nice player, but you want your thirdbasemen to either produce RBIs, play great defense, or both. Helms is none of that.
Oh and nothing wrong with being scared of a lefty closer. Unless you've got serious heat ala Billy Wagner, lefties are better suited in other roles. Pero I think Tank will be a great closer.
In other news, Ricky Nolasco was placed on the 15 day DL with a sore shoulder and Rick Vanduren was called up from Double A to start against the Brew Crew in RiNo's place. Emergency start, but I'd have rather seen us recall someone who was more ready.
I also heard a rumor that the team is considering calling up Brett Sinkbiel and making him the closer. He'd be an interesting choice/
Mainge
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Rick Vandenhurk. :wink:
No thanks to Brett Sinkbiel. He has far more value as a starter than a closer, IMO. And he's pretty green. He hasn't even pitched in pro baseball for a year.
I think a number of our 'pen arms would excel in a closer role. Gardener, Owens, Lindstrom, or even Gregg.
