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*Official NFL Free Agency thread*

Feverdream said:
FA has several different purposes, not just the one you want.

One of the ways that FA can be used is to fill holes and shop for undervalued players (like when we got Ogbah), while you build the bulk of your team through the draft. We've gone this route. I knew we would; I even suggested as much repeatedly before FA began-- knowing full well that the crybaby squad would scream every time that an expensive player went to someone else.

It was an easy prediction, like that water would be wet.
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Okay and outside of Byron Jones when’s the last time we were aggressive in Free agency and signed a difference maker. You can’t just fill holes every year and expect to improve.
 
Feverdream said:
FA has several different purposes, not just the one you want.

One of the ways that FA can be used is to fill holes and shop for undervalued players (like when we got Ogbah), while you build the bulk of your team through the draft. We've gone this route. I knew we would; I even suggested as much repeatedly before FA began-- knowing full well that the crybaby squad would scream every time that an expensive player went to someone else.

It was an easy prediction, like that water would be wet.
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An easy prediction is that the Dolphins are going to continue to be on the outside of the playoffs looking in for the foreseeable future while the AFC West, the Bills, and the Bengals remain legitimate contenders year after year and keep trying to sign players to counteract what the others are doing. And all the while we are "filling holes and shopping for undervalued players and TRYING to build the bulk of our team through the draft".

I guess we might make some headway against those teams within 5 years using that method.
 
Kev7 said:
Okay and outside of Byron Jones when’s the last time we were aggressive in Free agency and signed a difference maker. You can’t just fill holes every year and expect to improve.
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Except that we have... we were a 4 win team and now we are better than that. When we are SURE that Tua is the guy, then we can go nuts in Free Agency-- which we will be able to do because of prudence now.
 
Feverdream said:
Except that we have... we were a 4 win team and now we are better than that. When we are SURE that Tua is the guy, then we can go nuts in Free Agency-- which we will be able to do because of prudence now.
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Forget record for a second. Do you think we are close to competing in the playoffs against the top 5-6 teams in the AFC. Do the Dolphins pass the eye test to you?
 
bdizzle00 said:
No, I want the Dolphins to be good in another 10 years or so, making it an even 50 since they've been relevant.
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No, you want it now...

That has been obvious for a while now. You want expensive player after expensive player... and think the salary cap doesn't exist because that would be inconvenient for your plans. Spend it all now, then refinance it again and again has been your mantra since day one. When pressed with numbers, you wave them off and make vague suggestions that the rise in the salary cap will heal everything, while not noticing that the rise in the salary cap helps the prudent teams as well.

Your take is ALL about today, right now, and nothing else matters.
 
Kev7 said:
Okay and outside of Byron Jones when’s the last time we were aggressive in Free agency and signed a difference maker. You can’t just fill holes every year and expect to improve.
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But Byron Jones wasn’t the difference maker in his free agency class, Emmanuel ogbah who I’m pretty sure got less money than both van noy and Lawson ended up being that guy. A lot of times these it’s these less heralded guys you sign at a good price who just needed a change of scenery who actually determine what teams won or lost free agency.

As for the tackle thing, yeah I still want us to sign at least 1 veteran guy and I’d be a lot happier if that got announced tonight but I’m gonna save the meltdown since the dominos haven’t even started falling yet
 
phinfann13 said:
This thread has become so negative. We can't sign everyone. Collins might want to go to Cincinnati and be reunited with his old LSU teammates and Cowboys coach. Adams only wanted to go to Las Vegas. Just because they're available, doesn't mean they're available to everyone.
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All well and good, but if Miami doesn’t end up with at least one quality starter at offensive tackle by the end of free agency, I would consider it an organizational failure.
 
Feverdream said:
No, you want it now...

That has been obvious for a while now. You want expensive player after expensive player... and think the salary cap doesn't exist because that would be inconvenient for your plans. Spend it all now, then refinance it again and again has been your mantra since day one. When pressed with numbers, you wave them off and make vague suggestions that the rise in the salary cap will heal everything, while not noticing that the rise in the salary cap helps the prudent teams as well.

Your take is ALL about today, right now, and nothing else matters.
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Dude, apparently sarcasm is lost on you. Of course, I want the Dolphins to be good right now. Who doesn't? I don't want them to sign every single expensive player, I just don't want the Dolphins to sit back and watch the good teams get better while we sign second-string running backs and special teamers, and "fill holes with undervalued players". Where's the fun in that? How does that help us close the gap against the better teams in the AFC? If you are satisfied with that approach, so be it.

And it's not a "vague suggestion" that the cap is going to go up, just like it's not a "vague suggestion" that there are ways around the cap. You are watching it take place right in front of you. Everyone said this year was the Saints year where their bill came due. Did it?

Go right ahead and be the salary cap crusader. I'd rather us make meaningful moves for impact players. RIGHT NOW.
 
Going all-in on a free-agent is perilous. If you guarantee a guy 60M and he tears an Achilles in the first year, you are completely hosed. So many big FA signings go this way, putting up injury riddled performances and then getting cut--leaving massive cap holes behind while they go on to their next team looking for redemption.

Yes, I will take 3 good players over a 'great' one almost every time. In Edmonds, Wilson, and Williams, we may end up with 3 starters for about half the cost of Devante Adams. Plus we resigned all of our depth but Jenkins and Coleman, giving us much more continuity than just about everyone else.

...and yes, signing that one big FA works sometimes... Brady and Stafford both worked out fine, but every other team that went big just got a big dose of fail. It CAN work, but it usually doesn't... generally you have to have a pretty good team BEFORE you bring in the expensive piece. ...and we are not there yet.
 
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