Official Poll: Tannehill is our QB for the next decade (Yes/No)

[truckstick23]

If they can straighten out the O-Line he will you have to protect better to see what he can really do.

 

[Strangeworld]

Let's blame everyone but the QB.... that's the Finheaven apologists mantra.

This guy is NOT a franchise QB.

 

[bird33]

hes 27 in the espn qbr and 10-13 in his career as the starter. although its early im definitely worried about this guy.was never a winner in college and has been ok as a pro. a franchise qb is supposed to make the talent around him better, i dont see that with tannehill. i really really dont see a franchise qb but i really really hope im wrong.

 

[Shouright]

I think its a mistake to even consider it for the next few years. We need those picks for other positions. Even if Tannehill was doing much worse than he is (and in that case, Moore would be starting), I would hold onto the guy until his rookie contract ran out, or until someone offered me a top 15 pick for him. And, I'd be reluctant even then.

Who's manning those other positions won't mean squat if we have a QB who's functioning below average. In today's NFL, the rest of the team is simply unable to compensate for a below-average QB, at least in terms of making the team highly competitive.

And why do you view his play as average? It is certainly not average when compared to other new QBs in the league over the past 20 years. I'll betcha he's doing better than 80% did up to their sophomore year, assuming they even started as rookies.

That's a study that needs to be done, but I can tell you that last year he did no better than the average rookie:

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?330125-The-Talent-Surrounding-Ryan-Tannehill&highlight=

BTW, I'm pretty sure Alex Smith wasn't looking like a good investment for several years either.

I suspect guys like him and Brees are the exception to the rule, however.

 

[Shouright]

If they can straighten out the O-Line he will you have to protect better to see what he can really do.

Well you might find that out as early as this week, if McKinnie is inserted and plays well enough, and Martin can play well enough at RT.

Now, the question is, if the line blocks significantly better, and Ryan Tannehill doesn't play significantly better, will anyone focus their attention to Tannehill in a balanced manner, or will we simply move on to the next scapegoat? :)

 

[ATL_PHIN_FAN]

Who's manning those other positions won't mean squat if we have a QB who's functioning below average. In today's NFL, the rest of the team is simply unable to compensate for a below-average QB, at least in terms of making the team highly competitive.

That's a study that needs to be done, but I can tell you that last year he did no better than the average rookie:

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?330125-The-Talent-Surrounding-Ryan-Tannehill&highlight=

I suspect guys like him and Brees are the exception to the rule, however.

My point is, they all either sat the bench to learn for several years before they were exposed to the conundrum of the NFL, or they did no better than Tannehill has to this point. So, we can't yet definitively say that Tannehill won't be our Joe Montana or Peyton Manning. IMO, he's done as well to this point as I've seen any QB do (except Marino). Yup, he's made some horrendous mistakes. But, all QBs do. He will have to totally implode for the rest of this season before I'd say he's damaged goods and we should move on in our search for a franchise QB.

 

[Batroc]

Well you might find that out as early as this week, if McKinnie is inserted and plays well enough, and Martin can play well enough at RT.

Now, the question is, if the line blocks significantly better, and Ryan Tannehill doesn't play significantly better, will anyone focus their attention to Tannehill in a balanced manner, or will we simply move on to the next scapegoat? :)

I am kind of on the fence about Tannehill myself right now. I think he is a step up from Henne in a lot of areas, but I need to see him cut down on the turnovers. With that being said: I don't think the offensive line can be considered a "scapegoat" either. They are giving this kid almost no time in some situations and to the Tannehill critics I would say if You are going to constantly criticize the guy then at least be fair with it. The offensive line has to shoulder a lot of the blame for being inept just as Tanny does for the turnovers.

 

[FSU Truth]

Well you might find that out as early as this week, if McKinnie is inserted and plays well enough, and Martin can play well enough at RT.

Now, the question is, if the line blocks significantly better, and Ryan Tannehill doesn't play significantly better, will anyone focus their attention to Tannehill in a balanced manner, or will we simply move on to the next scapegoat? :)

I will base my opinion on how he plays on the season as a whole....not in individual week in and week out performances. Right now he is still the guy I envision for the future of the franchise and only will change that (if I do change my opinion of him) after week 17.

 

[phins_4_ever]

You are always wanting to compare him to existing QBs. How about Drew Brees frome 2001 to 2003? Be prepared to cover your eyes, it ain't pretty. So, using your logic we give up on Tannehill after this season if his QB Rating is less than say . . . 85? OK, well Brees had back to back sophmore and junior years in the NFL at much less than that. You would have let Brees go, right?

http://www.nfl.com/player/drewbrees/2504775/careerstats

[video=youtube;0zwNUdk5roM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zwNUdk5roM[/video]

I don't even know why people use Brees as an example. You are actually promoting sending Tannehill packing and drafting a new QB. A lot of players failed the first time around and did better the second time with another team. Heck Brett Favre was drafted by and was a back up in Atlanta before he was traded to Green Bay.

 

[MD]

Well you might find that out as early as this week, if McKinnie is inserted and plays well enough, and Martin can play well enough at RT.

Now, the question is, if the line blocks significantly better, and Ryan Tannehill doesn't play significantly better, will anyone focus their attention to Tannehill in a balanced manner, or will we simply move on to the next scapegoat? :)

So you're admitting that there is an issue with the blocking. I knew at some point you'd come to realize that.

 

[nick1]

mckinnie should be an improvement to the line, I think you will see an improvement from the offense as a whole once hes in the line up. the offense is pretty damn good when the QB has time. the offense was driving late with idk bout 8 minutes in the bills game, but then clabo gave up a crazy quick sack. the line also had a penalty if I remember correctly. and that was the end of that drive

 

[phins_4_ever]

Ahhhhhhhhh, but don't you hear the drums beating off in the distance for Matt Moore? Unfortunately, I've observed here long enough to know that knee jerk is the name of the game.

Are you worried that Tannehill would get injured and Moore looks better? The only group who consistently trashes Moore and want to trade him are the ones who have declared Tannehill a franchise QB before he actually has shown that he can be a franchise QB.
I like Moore but I never like a player so much that I trash another player just because.

As a Miami Dolphins fan we should be glad that he is on our roster because a starting QB is only one play away from being down and out. I don't promote just changing QBs throughout the season unless the starter gets injured. And if the backup looks better than the starter yes keep the change (see us in 2011). But if the starter played good he should get his job back (which was a disservice to Smith last year with the 49ers).

Instead of constantly trashing Moore, as a fan of a team we should embrace him as a QB who has shown in the past that he is capable of being part of a winning team. I would reckon that more than half the teams would be glad to have a capable backup just ask the Titans, the Eagles, the Bears, the Vikings etc.

 

[phins_4_ever]

So you're admitting that there is an issue with the blocking. I knew at some point you'd come to realize that.

I don't know of anybody who did not acknowledge that there is a problem with the OL. It is also well known that our receivers drop balls here and there. But when Tannehill has time it is not always as rosy as people make it out to be.

One of the hardest passes to throw are the quick outs. Jay Fiedler was a great game manager. What did him in was his weak arm. Forget about deep passes his mantra was the continued failure of the quick out. I can't count how many interception he threw there.

Pennington was a great game manager but he also had a weak arm. He stayed mostly away from the quick outs.

The quick out is one of the hardest passes because a QB needs a quick release and arm strength without having the chance and time to go through an entire throwing motion. A QB also needs the vision to throw that pass recognizing single coverage at the line of scrimmage for his target and that pass should never be a second option. Tannehill has not mastered that pass yet. They are either underthrown, overthrown, are late so the receiver is tackled almost immediately or in the Bills game an INT.

A franchise QB has to be able to make all the throws: short, medium, deep, quick outs, fades, touch passes, passes with mustard and so on. Some of them he can do but not consistently and some he fails more than he succeeds. I don't know if he can do them all eventually because there are things you can not teach a QB and they have to come naturally like pocket presence, recognizing defenses etc. That's why I can't declare him a franchise QB nor a bust. I just don't know.

 

[enigmatics]

Are you worried that Tannehill would get injured and Moore looks better? The only group who consistently trashes Moore and want to trade him are the ones who have declared Tannehill a franchise QB before he actually has shown that he can be a franchise QB.
I like Moore but I never like a player so much that I trash another player just because.

As a Miami Dolphins fan we should be glad that he is on our roster because a starting QB is only one play away from being down and out. I don't promote just changing QBs throughout the season unless the starter gets injured. And if the backup looks better than the starter yes keep the change (see us in 2011). But if the starter played good he should get his job back (which was a disservice to Smith last year with the 49ers).

Instead of constantly trashing Moore, as a fan of a team we should embrace him as a QB who has shown in the past that he is capable of being part of a winning team. I would reckon that more than half the teams would be glad to have a capable backup just ask the Titans, the Eagles, the Bears, the Vikings etc.

Bless your heart! Great post!

 

[Shouright]

So you're admitting that there is an issue with the blocking. I knew at some point you'd come to realize that.

I acknowledged long ago that there were problems with the functioning of the tackles, but I don't think it explains anywhere near fully the percentage of sacks taken by Tannehill on pressured dropbacks.