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Ok, hold up, wait a minute.....

MadDog 88 said:
Not in his world.
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You guys are better everywhere, we have no shot. Beter players, owener, coaches, ... We may win 4 games, you guys are a lock to battle it out w/ Buffalo for the div title- you will win a minimum of 12 games w/ all that talent.
 
13ktownguy said:
We finished strong,you finished poorly. We have that to build on, you have to get past that circus like finish with all the lockerroom stuff...not rocket science really. I guess our defense is better than yours we gave up fewer points than you did, right
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Notice how he failed to respond to your question about the defense? Proves my point.
 
nyjunc said:
We averaged 21.4 PPG
Miami averaged 19.7 PPG

which is better?


We are better at QB, WR, OL, TE, RBs are even

Philbin doesn't have Aaron Rodgers and all thos great WRs anymore.
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PPG isn't the only thing to consider. The Jets averaged 1.3 PPG more than the Dolphins, but they had 6 more starts in opponents territory including 3 more starts in the Red Zone. They also had 9 more giveaways than the Dolphins.
 
nyjunc said:
You guys are better everywhere, we have no shot. Beter players, owener, coaches, ... We may win 4 games, you guys are a lock to battle it out w/ Buffalo for the div title- you will win a minimum of 12 games w/ all that talent.
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Now you're getting the picture! Although I think 12 games is a little ambitious..maybe 10 though.
 
nyjunc said:
You guys are better everywhere, we have no shot. Beter players, owener, coaches, ... We may win 4 games, you guys are a lock to battle it out w/ Buffalo for the div title- you will win a minimum of 12 games w/ all that talent.
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I wish but not this year. Maybe next year we can challenge the Pats.

Obviously we have the best defense in the division since we gave up the least points so we only need to get our offense going.
 
nyjunc said:
I try to help you guys but you don't listen, keep on thinking we suck and you are great. Good luck w/ that.
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I don't see how picking up Sparano and Tebow is an upgrade to your offense as a whole. I'd be safe to think your Redzone O will be a force to be reckoned with but I do think getting there will be an issue for you guys. I'm not going to say we're better or more talented yet I DO think the Jets are regressing. Going from making offseason moves that make sense in 09-10 to now picking up a glorified O-Line coach as an O-Cooridinator in a league that wants to pass more and more. The Tebow acquisition, to me, was made for 50% performance 50% PR/Ticket sales. I didn't mention the defense but other than Revis, Harris, and a DL or too I see no bright spots or improvement.
 
The New Guy said:
PPG isn't the only thing to consider. The Jets averaged 1.3 PPG more than the Dolphins, but they had 6 more starts in opponents territory including 3 more starts in the Red Zone. They also had 9 more giveaways than the Dolphins.
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wouldn't 9 more giveaways negate any advantage from 6 more starts in opp territory?
 
nyjunc said:
Yep, every bad pick was BP, every good pick was Ireland.



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I really wish you would keep your dolphins comments to yourself. You CLEARLY have no idea what you are talking about and it makes you just look, well you...

White was drafted in 2009. Parcells ran the 2008 and 2009 drafts. This is the where the credits go (and this is fact that is undisputable)

2008 - 100% Parcells
2009 - 75% Parcells, 25% Ireland
2010 - 50% Parcells, 50% Ireland
2011 - 100% Ireland

Parcells even ADMITTED Pat Wht was the wrong pick. Why would he admit something that he had no hand in - according to your dilusions.
 
nyjunc said:
wouldn't 9 more giveaways negate any advantage from 6 more starts in opp territory?
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I guess that would depend on how many of those turnovers came when the Jets were given the ball in opp territory. Either way, it doesn't matter when you are judging an offense. The Jets O had little to do with the starts in opp territory, but had everything to do with the turnovers. To me, 9 more turnovers with 6 more starts in opp territory (3 more in the RZ) negates the Jets +1.3PPG advantage over the Dolphins. How many points off of turnovers did the Jets give up? I don't know how the stats ended up, but I thought they were leading the league at one point.
 
nyjunc said:
so the Jets scoring more pts on offesne isn't a fact?

reggie Bush struggling early when Miami couldn't win isn't a fact?

matt Moore struggling early when Miami couldn't win isn't a fact?


has an 0-7 team ever even got back into the playoff race before? so that would make the 2nd half of their sched pretty meaningless as far as the playoff race, wouldn't it?


You know what isn't a fact? Mark sanchez sucks, Shonn Greene sucks, our OL sucks. Those aren't facts.


I don't remind anyone of anything, I discuss the topics. It sucks for you guys that you have struggled for a long time but should we ignore that? I'm here win or lose and if Miami gets rolling and the Jets suck I'll still be here and I will discuss how the Jets suck like I did at the end of last year.
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You what are facts, Mark Sanchez struggles is a fact, Shonn Green struggles is a fact, your OL struggles is a fact... Actually, I would argue that Shonn Green does suck.. 1 TD in every 54 attempts.. That smells. NJot to mention he's lost every fumble hes had less 1.
 
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