Let me try this again. I am a heat fan. I am TELLING YOU that I have my doubts as to wether we win that title without ZO.
Every other Heat fan would admit this as well. This is not a debate nyjunc. I am tellign you that he was very important..and important enough for me to have my doubts as to wether we win without him.
Treated better than Jordan? Jordan never attacked the basket as much as Wade does/did and still got respect. I just found it delicious that the most "contraversial call" in that series had photographic evidence showing a foul being committed by 2 different Mavs.
How come nobody mentions that we were the victim of a likely fixed game in that playoff against the Bulls? (The infamous 31 FT to 5 game)
Jordan attacked the basket plenty, every time wade touched the ball they seemed to blow a whistle.
In the '06 Finals Wade shot the ball 139 times and shot 97 FTs.
'98 Jordan shot 70 FTs and took 164 shots against Utah.
'97 Jordan shot 55 FTs and took 158 shots against Utah.
'96 Jordan shot 67 FTs and took 123 shots.
Remember how Jordan got all the calls? how is it that probably the greatest player of all time got all the calls yet Wade went to the FT line so much more? You'll tell me how Wade attacked the basket more but in '06 Wade shot 11 3's while in '98 Jordan shot just 13 yet Wade shot 27 more FTs on 25 LESS FGAs.
Ya, make the playoffs year after year? Put up 20 and 10 on a regular basis on 50 win teams? Ya terrible i know.
It is easy to make the playoffs and he only averaged 20 and 10 4 times during his career.
at least we have a history worth talking about. You dont. Please dont come on other teams boards and tell them to pipe down about 10-20-30 years ago. It is a Miami Dolphins message board first and foremost. We have a great history and every analyst still recognizes Miami as one of the NFL's historic franchises despite the fact theyve been in existance shorter then some other franchises. The Jets are a nothing franchise. Always have been except for one year. So pipe down about nothing accomplishments and 2 more wins the miami for the last 5 years.
again, we have been the better franchise the last decade and overall you have just ONE more Championship than we do. You guys act like you are the Yankees of the NFL.
Oh really? Al Groh was GM the year you drafted Coles, Chad, Ellis, Abe, Coles? Funny I coulda sworn that was Bill Parcells when he stayed on for that 2000 season as GM. Best draft in your sorry teams history and you dont even know who did it? He hired Groh.
Al groh ran that draft. Do me a favor and go check out '97-'99 drafts that Parcells ran and tell me the difference. Groh was the man given the credit for those drafts.
"In 1999, Bill Parcells retired from football for the second time, vowing that he would not coach again. He remained with the Jets one more year as general manager."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Pa...#New_York_Jets
That one more year was your 2000 draft above. 3 pro bowl level players, a solid qb, and a good blocking Te.
I don't care what wiki says, I live through this time here. Parcells told everyone in the World Groh was in charge of the draft, he said groh was the one who traded Keyshawn and Groh took all the heat for the that.
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu5B6t...ootball/nfl/news/2000/09/18/keyshawn_groh_ap/
But we've been in 5. You cant even win the division how are you ever going to catch up?
We have won 2 division titles in the last decade compared to your one.
Again, supporting cast, the brawl, an unconscious Olajuwon, Reggie Miller.
The NBA East post Jordan stunk for many years. The heat had more than enough talent to make the Finals but w/ choker like Zo they couldn't just like Georgetown couldn't make Final Fours w/ Zo.
Cant pick and choose what you determine as clutch. You either make the shot or miss it. Jordan missed some too, does it make him any less great?
Jordna missed many game winners but he also made alot. Can't say the same for Ewing and a putback dunk is not clutch.
Mason made 0 all star games as a knick. Starks made one. Oakley made one. Again, where is the second scoring option? Bird had Parrish/Mchale. Jordan and Pip. Isiah and Dumars. Olajuwon and Drexler (1 year). Duncan and Robinson. The list goes on. Almost every team that won a title had a consistant second option. John Starks, Mason, Oakley or LJ was never that as a Knick. Sorry, keep trying.
He had more than enough around him. Mason was always a borderline all-star as was Oak, Starks was really good for a few years.
I already showed you how close Starks was in scoring compared to Pippen, Olajuwon won a title WITHOUT Drexler. The Knicks had the top seed in '93 and couldn't win, if not for a blown call against Chi they may not have beaten the Jordan-less Bulls the following year and the hyear after that he missed a finger roll which would have put them in the conf Finals.
You consider Ewing a HOFER? Cause Zo's stats are only a slight step down. He'll get in if its determined he had a long enough run of outstanding play, the shortness of his period of excellence is about the only claim you can make to keep him out.
I think Ewing was a little overrated but yes he belongs in the HOF, he did make 3 FFs and won a Championship i college plus played on 2 gold medal winning olympic teams. All that counts.
Ewing had 13 20+ PPG seasons, Zo 5
Ewing had 9 10+ RPG seasons, Zo had 4
Ewing had 9 20 and 10 seasons, Zo had 4
Ewing led a team to the Finals, Zo did not
Ewing made 3 FFs in college, Zo didn't make one
Ewing won a college Championship, Zo didn't
They aren't even close.
