Pat White will break out vs. saints

[PorrotheDolfan]

our offense isn't even the aspect of the team to worry about for this week, we'll be just fine running the ball with Ronnie and Ricky, It's defense that we gotta worry about, Drew Brees is the QB that we should be concerned about "Busting Out" Pat White will sit the sidelines as the offense runs down the clock to keep Drew Brees and his high powered offense off the field, I don't expect much from White this game, although I do believe he will develop into a great change of pace QB for our team in the future, making Miami the most creative offense in football history, Wild Cat offense, 2 QB System, and who knows what else they add

 

[RockyMtnPhinfan]

You guys are ridiculous calling the guy a bust when he has seen all of 5 games and hasn't been very involved in those games he HAS seen. He is learning, waiting his turn. When year three gets here (the NFL standard time for allowing a rookie to flourish) and he hasn't done anything, that is when he can be called a bust. you know, like John Beck.

 

[napsndreds]

Thigpen has more potential and has already proven it on the football field. If White is gonna break out, that would be what? 4 Handoffs and 2 Draws?

whateva gets positive yards my man

 

[LANGER72]

We held out the wild cat last year for a big game agaisnt the patriots. I think the dolphins have been purposfully holding back pat white to make teams think he was a bust and that we arent going to use him. With the bye I think they are going to unleash Pat White and the wild cat 2.0 vs. the saints. Its a pivotal game because we cant afford to fall to 2-4 and be potentionally 2 games behind the patriots. All im saying, is watch out for Pat White.

We have been hearing the "this is the week that Pat White bust's loose" predictions every game so far this season. PW is a nice situational player for the future, but he cant replace Ronnie as the full time triggerman until he shows that he can throw accurately.The coaches do not let him pass in the game for a reason, and for the most part he makes small gains running the ball. PW needs more muscle and improved accuracy before he will be "unveiled".

 

[napsndreds]

Maybe the lack of seeing anything but a draw? People who think PW is gonna come in and 'light' the world on fire are the ones running around with grand delusions. Not sure where people get off thinking otherwise.

Bro your acting like Pat white is going out there and calls only draw plays. The coaches put him out there and they tell him what to run. They are trying to ease this man in . We already have a starting qb so what do you expect from this guy. Its more mental than anything. But I believe he is waiting for that passing oppertunity again like before with ginn. Its a fine line with Pat white. He runs for a first down he gets no props....if he passed the ball to ginn on that play people still wouldnt be giving him props. So its tough to please everyone on here, even when he has done more positive than negative so far as a rookie.

 

[napsndreds]

Its not that people want to see Pat White do good they just dont wanna see him on the field. I admit, when he came in in the jets game I said huh? But theres a few of us that literally got sick to their stomachs...why though? What has Pat White done so far that your just so sick of this guy already?

 

[NBP81]

I cringe everytime I see him on the field... I think its the element of surprise.. I dont know what the hell is coming and he isnt exactly considered a reliable player

Elaborate? give me ONE negative play from white. A long ball incompletion his not a negative play IMO. Actually, from his college career, He his the definition of a reliable player.

 

[dolpns13]

Elaborate? give me ONE negative play from white. A long ball incompletion his not a negative play IMO. Actually, from his college career, He his the definition of a reliable player.

who said anything about a negative play?

Actually, he isnt in college anymore.. what he did in college means basically nothing in the NFL... Ryan Leaf was a VERY reliable college QB for example

 

[NBP81]

who said anything about a negative play?

Actually, he isnt in college anymore.. what he did in college means basically nothing in the NFL... Ryan Leaf was a VERY reliable college QB for example

I know, but why are you saying he isnt a reliable player? What do you base it on?

 

[LikeUntoGod]

You would expect that "the steal of the NFL draft" would have broken somewhere into a playing spot by now.

I can't ever see him as a "starting" QB in the NFL so why did we "waste" a 2nd round draft pick on him? If he ever becomes our starting QB then we are in serious trouble.

In 4 years in college he never threw for over 1,850 yards in a season. Fuxk the "scheme" his team played, if he was a great passer, they would have passed the ball more. The NFL is a passing game now for QBs but he is not a good passing QB. He does not have a strong arm and tends to miss on longer pass attempts.

He is fast for a QB but not for a NFL player. He is small for a NFL QB or player at any position. He has very small hands. He could run in college in the open field but not in the NFL. He is a weaker armed and much smaller version of Vince Young.

To play even the WR position in the Wildcat he needs to show he can catch the ball.

His stats are 3 run attempts for 5 yards. That is a 1.7 yard average.

He is not big or strong enough to play in the Wildcat. He does not pass well enough to play in the spread.

He has to be a "surprise" on no more then a couple of plays per game because it would be too easy to game plan for him.

Some might want to wait to call him a bust, but IMO as a 2nd rounder he was at the end of preseason.

The list of players like Jared Cook (TE) that we could of taken instead of him makes it even worse.

My list is long here.

Connor Barwin OLB
Phil Loadholt OT
Max Unger G/C
Mohamed Massaquoi WR
Paul Kruger OLB
Clint Sintim OLB
Jared Cook TE
Chase Coffman TE
Jarron Gilbert DE

These are the ones off the top of my head. I would love either TE, Conner Barwin or Paul Kruger, Unger or Loadholt and even Mohamed Massaquoi (he IS a Bulldog after all)

Take Pat White a couple of rounds later and I have almost no problem with him.

P.S. Also give me Louis Murphy over Pat Turner at WR.

 

[dolpns13]

I know, but why are you saying he isnt a reliable player? What do you base it on?

Ok, let me rephrase.. He isnt as reliable as say Ronnie or Ricky.. I would rather have Ronnie or Ricky run the wildcat than White.. everytime I see him on the field I get scared becuase I dont trust him [yet].

 

[Rev Kev]

Pat White is the future behind some WC formations..., excitement 100% - he may see the field this week and down the road but really the FO will keep his confidence up and not expect too much of him..., people expect way too muc of hm atthis point..., like looka at Sanchez he should have sat all season and deferred to Clemons - is all...

 

[NBP81]

You would expect that "the steal of the NFL draft" would have broken somewhere into a playing spot by now.

I can't ever see him as a "starting" QB in the NFL so why did we "waste" a 2nd round draft pick on him? If he ever becomes our starting QB then we are in serious trouble.

In 4 years in college he never threw for over 1,850 yards in a season. Fuxk the "scheme" his team played, if he was a great passer, they would have passed the ball more. The NFL is a passing game now for QBs but he is not a good passing QB. He does not have a strong arm and tends to miss on longer pass attempts.

He is fast for a QB but not for a NFL player. He is small for a NFL QB or player at any position. He has very small hands. He could run in college in the open field but not in the NFL. He is a weaker armed and much smaller version of Vince Young.

To play even the WR position in the Wildcat he needs to show he can catch the ball.

His stats are 3 run attempts for 5 yards. That is a 1.7 yard average.

He is not big or strong enough to play in the Wildcat. He does not pass well enough to play in the spread.

He has to be a "surprise" on no more then a couple of plays per game because it would be too easy to game plan for him.

Some might want to wait to call him a bust, but IMO as a 2nd rounder he was at the end of preseason.

The list of players like Jared Cook (TE) that we could of taken instead of him makes it even worse.

My list is long here.

Connor Barwin OLB
Phil Loadholt OT
Max Unger G/C
Mohamed Massaquoi WR
Paul Kruger OLB
Clint Sintim OLB
Jared Cook TE
Chase Coffman TE
Jarron Gilbert DE

These are the ones off the top of my head. I would love either TE, Conner Barwin or Paul Kruger, Unger or Loadholt and even Mohamed Massaquoi (he IS a Bulldog after all)

Take Pat White a couple of rounds later and I have almost no problem with him.

P.S. Also give me Louis Murphy over Pat Turner at WR.

-I dont recall anybody calling him the steal of the draft as I think we can all agree we did reach a little to get him. But what spot are you talking about? Henne only played garbage time against Arizona last year. Does that mean he's not starting material?

- Says who? scouts argue he was the top passer in the combine, its arguable but just the fact that he was in the discussion kinda goes against your statement that he is not a good passer...

- Pat has a much higher football IQ than Young IMO.

- The perception that White was drafted to trigger the Wildcat comes from fans and media, not the organization. IMO, Pat was drafted has a change of pace/career backup QB. You'll say a 2nd is way to high for a career backup but when you add the fact he can come in games at any time and throw defenses of as a playmaker, its still a reach but a managable one. And thats assuming he can become a game changing playmaker.

 

[Despacio]

There are few bigger WTF?! moments in Miami history then when Pat White was put into the Jets game on the final drive. I mean seriously, WTF?! But it worked ok. In a game where we have to grind the clock, I don't think it's ideal to pull out the exotic Pat White packages. But what do I know, I was saying WTF?! while White was running for a first down against the Jets in this seasons most important drive so far.

The thing is, even if our offense has a day like last year when we surprised the Patsies, putting up 38 points I believe, the Saints could match that easily and then some. We have to control the clock, we have to stick to the run, and we have to chew up the clock and avoid clock and drive killing high risk pass plays of any sort.

 

[Fudge 101]

You would expect that "the steal of the NFL draft" would have broken somewhere into a playing spot by now.

I can't ever see him as a "starting" QB in the NFL so why did we "waste" a 2nd round draft pick on him? If he ever becomes our starting QB then we are in serious trouble.

In 4 years in college he never threw for over 1,850 yards in a season. Fuxk the "scheme" his team played, if he was a great passer, they would have passed the ball more. The NFL is a passing game now for QBs but he is not a good passing QB. He does not have a strong arm and tends to miss on longer pass attempts.

He is fast for a QB but not for a NFL player. He is small for a NFL QB or player at any position. He has very small hands. He could run in college in the open field but not in the NFL. He is a weaker armed and much smaller version of Vince Young.

To play even the WR position in the Wildcat he needs to show he can catch the ball.

His stats are 3 run attempts for 5 yards. That is a 1.7 yard average.

He is not big or strong enough to play in the Wildcat. He does not pass well enough to play in the spread.

He has to be a "surprise" on no more then a couple of plays per game because it would be too easy to game plan for him.

Some might want to wait to call him a bust, but IMO as a 2nd rounder he was at the end of preseason.

The list of players like Jared Cook (TE) that we could of taken instead of him makes it even worse.

My list is long here.

Connor Barwin OLB
Phil Loadholt OT
Max Unger G/C
Mohamed Massaquoi WR
Paul Kruger OLB
Clint Sintim OLB
Jared Cook TE
Chase Coffman TE
Jarron Gilbert DE

These are the ones off the top of my head. I would love either TE, Conner Barwin or Paul Kruger, Unger or Loadholt and even Mohamed Massaquoi (he IS a Bulldog after all)

Take Pat White a couple of rounds later and I have almost no problem with him.

P.S. Also give me Louis Murphy over Pat Turner at WR.

Just a quick note, are you averaging his "-1 rush" which was a kneel down at the end of the game. That would drastically affect the stats.