Paul Soliai, Dolphins never came close to deal

[dlockz]

by all accounts ive seen Paul Soliai hasnt played poorly so far. i deleted the games off the DVR so i cant look. but people listing the fact soliai only has 4 tackles as evidence he has played poorly for an interior lineman - thats just plain and simple garbage. how many sacks did paul have last year? understand the position he plays people. he isnt going to rack up numbers.

and his contract demands were most certainly NOT ridiculous as many here seem to believe. and he STILL is going to earn a big contract and THAT is the point here. hes going to get paid fair market value. the dolphins were never going to pay him obviously cause they already blew it and priced themselves out of the market as the price continued to rise last year with no offer on the table till it came down to the fact they had to franchise the guy to keep him.

once hes franchised THATS ON THE TEAM NOT HIM. why should he be expected to play for free essentially on a contract he is going to earn in ONE YEAR as soon as the seasons over? MAKES ZERO FOLKS. they were asking for the same type of money that cleveland signed a NT for here last week. the dolphins could have negotiated from there. they decided not to.

to say soliai is being greedy here is just ignorant. its just simply not the case. if u are making say $50,000 a year and your boss comes to u and says - you know what? ive got a great idea how about u stick around here awhile and after this year which you are making $50,000 why dont you work the next 2 YEARS for $50,000 TOTAL??? and u know there are offers out there for you to make $100,000

come on people be real. and make some sense. if you wouldnt take that deal or give your boss the home town discount why should he??? the dolphins WERENT EVEN CLOSE folks. they made a ridiculous offer. they know it. he knows it. paul soliai will not be a dolphin next year unless hes playing under another franchise tag - in which case the dolphins CLEARLY ****ed up because they could have LOCKED HIM UP for EXACTLY that kind of guaranteed money and had him for a couple more years.

If u dont include the franchise tag what is the sense of even making a deal now for the dolphins . They offered him 8 million a year giving him the 12 million for this year and 12 million for the next two years please tell me how they even asked for a discount. The difference in the deal he signed and Rubins's from cleveland was that Rubin was not franchised. rubin got a 4 year 27 million dollar contract with 18 mill guaranteed. How is he getting less money or less guarantee. 12 million plus 6 million is 18 million guaranteed. Hell Rubin is a better DT anyway so they can talk about his deal all day but its moot. what solai's people want is the 12 million guaranteed for this year plus the 18 million over like 3 more years guaranteed which is essentially 30 million guaranteed over a friggin 4 year contract so in essence they want a 4 year 36 million dollar contract with almost all of it guaranteed which is pure crap.

 

[dlockz]

dlock better fix your math. he is ALREADY GUARANTEED $12 million. GET IT????? HE ALREADY GETTING THAT MONEY. NO MATTER WHAT. they offered him (not accurately stated btw) $18 million and $8 million a year. really thats a good deal??

THATS NOT WHAT THEY OFFERED HIM. thats how it was reported. LOOK AT THE FACTS. they offered $6 million IN NEW MONEY and since hes already making $12 million this year what kind of sense does it make to use THAT money as part of the average for the new deal??? NONE. ZERO. ZIP. ZILCH. if the total contract value was $24 million THATS ONLY $6 MILLION PER YEAR.

THATS AN AWFUL DEAL compared to the market. the guy in cleveland JUST SIGNED for $18 million in NEW MONEY and $27 million total for 3 years. the dolphins offered $6 million guaranteed in NEW MONEY and $12 million TOTAL for 2 years IN NEW MONEY. how do those 2 contracts compare??? would u sign the second one? no chance.

if they had negotiated this deal last season thats one thing. THEY DIDNT.

explain to me how it makes any sense at all to include money ALREADY EARNED in a new offer and say thats how much the offer was for???

if u cant understand this. then i really dont know what else to say to help u bub

The money isnt already earned they had until this week to do a deal on a franchised player. if that year is not included why should a team even care to do a contract now they could wait until next year. This week was the deadline to sign franchised players to a long term deal. hell screw it let him get his 12 this year and offer what u like next year but he is not likely to get 18 million from any other team guaranteed.

 

[hightempo]

If u dont include the franchise tag what is the sense of even making a deal now for the dolphins . They offered him 8 million a year giving him the 12 million for this year and 12 million for the next two years please tell me how they even asked for a discount. The difference in the deal he signed and Rubins's from cleveland was that Rubin was not franchised. rubin got a 4 year 27 million dollar contract with 18 mill guaranteed. How is he getting less money or less guarantee. 12 million plus 6 million is 18 million guaranteed. Hell Rubin is a better DT anyway so they can talk about his deal all day but its moot. what solai's people want is the 12 million guaranteed for this year plus the 18 million over like 3 more years guaranteed which is essentially 30 million guaranteed over a friggin 4 year contract so in essence they want a 4 year 36 million dollar contract with almost all of it guaranteed which is pure crap.

its a BIG difference bro. im not saying the deal makes sense any more for miami. obviously they dont think it does. im not judging that. what im saying is they had an opportunity to lock the guy up on the cheap a long time ago and didnt do it. now they have to manage the situation they are faced with.

its as simple as this. THE MONEY BOTH PLAYERS MAKE THIS YEAR IS IRRELEVANT. because they are ALREADY making that money NO MATTER WHAT. so it makes ZERO sense to use the money they are making this year and try to use that to compare a NEW CONTRACT. soliai is making $12 million THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR. ok? a contract is for FUTURE YEARS. this year has ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED.

so if the other guy got $18 million in guarantees and 27 million total over 3 years IN NEW MONEY and paul soliai is a BETTER PLAYER does it not make sense that he gets at least $18 million and $27 million?????????

the way u are trying to say he was offered a contract IN REALITY what the dolphins would have had to offer is 30 million guaranted and 39 million for 3 years.

THEN the contracts would BE EQUAL. EQUAL. EXACTLY THE SAME. the other guy got paid $18 million in guarantees and $27 million total. Soliai was offered $6 million and $12 million total. does that look equal to you??

those contracts ARENT EVEN CLOSE. not close

 

[hightempo]

The money isnt already earned they had until this week to do a deal on a franchised player. if that year is not included why should a team even care to do a contract now they could wait until next year. This week was the deadline to sign franchised players to a long term deal. hell screw it let him get his 12 this year and offer what u like next year but he is not likely to get 18 million from any other team guaranteed.

he will get $18 million in guarantees and thats WHY he didnt sign for ONLY $6 million in new money. it just no sense. i understand what ur saying. BUT in order to get a fair offer from the dolphins they would have had to offer him closer to what a franchise tag will pay him next year in new guaranteed money. otherwise it simply makes no sense for him to sign. they blew it and priced themselves out of the market.

from their standpoint as well tho - if they are going to offer that kind of money ANYWAYS. might as well let him play out the season on the franchise tag and then make a decision with more information in the offseason. odds are they end up being able to sign him for somewhere around $20 million in guarantees anyways so they might as well take another year to evaluate his play

at the end of the day - both sides made intelligent decisions at this point in the game. dealing with this info its not hard at all to see why they werent able to put a deal in place. its just one of those things

 

[dlockz]

its a BIG difference bro. im not saying the deal makes sense any more for miami. obviously they dont think it does. im not judging that. what im saying is they had an opportunity to lock the guy up on the cheap a long time ago and didnt do it. now they have to manage the situation they are faced with.

its as simple as this. THE MONEY BOTH PLAYERS MAKE THIS YEAR IS IRRELEVANT. because they are ALREADY making that money NO MATTER WHAT. so it makes ZERO sense to use the money they are making this year and try to use that to compare a NEW CONTRACT. soliai is making $12 million THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR. ok? a contract is for FUTURE YEARS. this year has ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED.

so if the other guy got $18 million in guarantees and 27 million total over 3 years IN NEW MONEY and paul soliai is a BETTER PLAYER does it not make sense that he gets at least $18 million and $27 million?????????

the way u are trying to say he was offered a contract IN REALITY what the dolphins would have had to offer is 30 million guaranted and 39 million for 3 years.

THEN the contracts would BE EQUAL. EQUAL. EXACTLY THE SAME. the other guy got paid $18 million in guarantees and $27 million total. Soliai was offered $6 million and $12 million total. does that look equal to you??

those contracts ARENT EVEN CLOSE. not close

u ignore that rubin only was scheduled to make 600,000 this year so in essence solai gets 12 million more in guarantees. also Rubin is by far a better dt than solai solai is not the better player . Rubin had 82 tackles lasyt year for a dt thats almost unheard of and had 2 sacks. would trade solai for rubin any day of the week

 

[dlockz]

he will get $18 million in guarantees and thats WHY he didnt sign for ONLY $6 million in new money. it just no sense. i understand what ur saying. BUT in order to get a fair offer from the dolphins they would have had to offer him closer to what a franchise tag will pay him next year in new guaranteed money. otherwise it simply makes no sense for him to sign. they blew it and priced themselves out of the market.

from their standpoint as well tho - if they are going to offer that kind of money ANYWAYS. might as well let him play out the season on the franchise tag and then make a decision with more information in the offseason. odds are they end up being able to sign him for somewhere around $20 million in guarantees anyways so they might as well take another year to evaluate his play

This is the reason that teams have until a certain point to renogotiate, to ignore this years contract in the negotiation is unrealistic and basically unheard of . Like i said why negotiate with a franchise player if u don help your cap room at all. solai is not irreplaceable so let someone else overpay for him.

 

[GoonBoss]

Solai is going to be the next FA bull**** artist

 

[UHHS]

Solai is going to be the next FA bull**** artist

LOL I agree. The entire free world sees how he is playing and there is not a team out there that will pay him silly funny money. The ones making excuses for him do not see it that way. Most players in Soliais class always have their franchise tag money mixed into an extension. Soliai and his agent are idiots, they want the full 12 million this year then another 18-20 million in additional guaranteed money in the extension ? Man , even our FO is not that stupid. Soliai simply is not worth that kind of money, I said it last year and its even truer this year. Do not even listen to the ones that think he Miami is trying to screw him out of money, simply put, he is not worth that kind of money would would amount , in Soliais eyes to around 30 million in guaranteed money thru 2014. That includes his 12 million this year. Not happening Paul , not happening here or anywhere else in the NFL. Paul, Keep playing the way you are and you will be a success on the night shift at any WALMART of your choice.

 

[hightempo]

u ignore that rubin only was scheduled to make 600,000 this year so in essence solai gets 12 million more in guarantees. also Rubin is by far a better dt than solai solai is not the better player . Rubin had 82 tackles lasyt year for a dt thats almost unheard of and had 2 sacks. would trade solai for rubin any day of the week

dude ur ignoring logic. YES im ignoring the fact that rubin is only making $600,000 this year BECAUSE THATS THE WHOLE POINT. he ISNT MAKING ****. he has no GUARANTEED MONEY to fall back on. he IS essentially playing WITHOUT A CONTRACT. why would he WANT to play out a whole year without cashing in??? he has ZERO leverage, and yet he was able to land a new deal that guarantees him $18 million in NEW MONEY..NEW MONEY. NEW MONEY....see the difference???

with no leverage he got $18 million in guarantees. Paul Soliai HAS LEVERAGE. hes ALREADY GETTING PAID $12 million this year. they offered him $6 million IN NEW MONEY. in otherwords. they said paul we think u are worth about 1/3 what this other guy is worth even tho there are people out there talking about u like u are in the top 20% (or better) of starters that play your position in the game.

u can debate all u want the other guy is a better player. im not going to debate that - i dont know. but there is a wealth of scouting information out there that says otherwise. it seems since the other contract is even mentioned that they must compare in one way shape or form dont they? who is he compared to contract wise? rubin and wilfork

i truthfully dont understand why this is so tough for u bro. not trying to be difficult here. just saying. put yourself in this players shoes or this agents shoes and THINK about this for a minute. im telling u what u are suggesting simply doesnt make sense.

why should money ALREADY EARNED be included in a negotiation? IT SHOULDNT and IT ISNT. otherwise paul soliai would be signed.

sure when its all said and done the agent and team will want to include those numbers in the final price tag AFTER the NEW deal is done. cause it makes the agent LOOK BETTER. makes him look like he got his client MORE MONEY - in reality he didnt and contracts arent negotiated in fantasyland where players thank their employers for what theyve been paid in the past and negotiate contracts based on their career earnings. thats not how it works bro

and paul soliai stands to make a HELL OF A LOT MORE MONEY than $6 million guaranteed this offseason. he will make $15 million guaranteed EASY the way things stand now and more likely closer to $20 million. please explain to me how it makes ANY sense for him to sign for $6 million when in a couple of months hes going to make $20 million.....explain that

IT DOESNT. and hes not greedy. THOSE NUMBERS ARENT EVEN CLOSE. there was ZERO incentive to sign. ZERO. NONE. maybe if miami would have given him closer to $12 million plus IN NEW MONEY perhaps they would have been able to come to an agreement. it wasnt close because it made no sense.

and they are dropping the numbers on u like they are because they lowballed the guy, and they dont want to look foolish - take any **** in the media - its just how these things go.

u need to look BEYOND whats being SAID here tho bro and look at FACTS

 

[UHHS]

What this whole offer by Miami means IMO, Here is what we are offering Paul, if you do not like it, good luck pal. Like I said, no other team is going to even offer him anything close to what him and his dipshiiiit agent is asking.

You do not pay funny money for borderline good players. Right now Soliai is below a borderline good player.

HERES THE FACTS, MIAMI DOES NOT THINK HE IS WORTH THAT KIND OF MONEY. NEITHER DO 31 OTHER NFL TEAMS, Watch and you will see.

 

[hightempo]

LOL I agree. The entire free world sees how he is playing and there is not a team out there that will pay him silly funny money. The ones making excuses for him do not see it that way. Most players in Soliais class always have their franchise tag money mixed into an extension. Soliai and his agent are idiots, they want the full 12 million this year then another 18-20 million in additional guaranteed money in the extension ? Man , even our FO is not that stupid. Soliai simply is not worth that kind of money, I said it last year and its even truer this year. Do not even listen to the ones that think he Miami is trying to screw him out of money, simply put, he is not worth that kind of money would would amount , in Soliais eyes to around 30 million in guaranteed money thru 2014. That includes his 12 million this year. Not happening Paul , not happening here or anywhere else in the NFL. Paul, Keep playing the way you are and you will be a success on the night shift at any WALMART of your choice.

it is happening. wait and see. if paul soliai plays anywhere near the level he played at last year it MOST CERTAINLY IS HAPPENING. and there is no question it will. and youll have your $30 million guaranteed because thats where hell be! the simple fact that another NT just signed for $18 guaranteed THIS year u think the price is going DOWN????? not a chance.

so should the team he signs with in the offseason include the $12 in guaranteed money he receives THIS year in their contract negotiations??? LMFAO

hey paul since u made $12 million last year - were gonna include that in ur guaranteed money moving forward. so were gonna offer u a contract for $18 million guaranteed but we are only going to pay u $6 million is that ok??? LMFAO

THINK GUYS. the money he made on that franchise tender IS IN THE BANK. its a DONE DEAL. why would he negotiate with money hes ALREADY BEEN PAID?????

just because the information that gets released through the press is presented in a certain way regarding contracts and negotiations DOES NOT MEAN THAT IS HOW THE NEGOTIATION TAKE PLACE AT THE TABLE. u DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH MONEY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID TO YOU. that is THE PAST. u get paid for FUTURE performance based on previous performance and expectation of that performance.

this is VERY SIMPLE. it honestly isnt rocket science here guys

and i dont fault ireland for paying the guy $20 million in new money right now. might as well let him play out the year. cause the price tag in likelihood isnt going to go up that much u wouldnt think. ireland is banking on EITHER that OR that his performance will level off and either he wont want to keep the guy or instead of paying him $18 million in new money - hell be able to sign him for something closer to $12 million or so (whatever the number is) a more reasonable figure. he is NOT going to only get $6 million in NEW MONEY next year. u can bank on THAT REGARDLESS. and therefore YES HE WAS LOWBALLED.

but both sides are correct at this point. it just is what it is

 

[MD]

Now that I see the numbers I understand why they didn't sign him. What is surprising that he is not playing big for the payoff next season. His agent is doing a disservice to him asking for 30 mil in guarantees. That won't happen.

 

[hightempo]

What this whole offer by Miami means IMO, Here is what we are offering Paul, if you do not like it, good luck pal. Like I said, no other team is going to even offer him anything close to what him and his dipshiiiit agent is asking.

You do not pay funny money for borderline good players. Right now Soliai is below a borderline good player.

HERES THE FACTS, MIAMI DOES NOT THINK HE IS WORTH THAT KIND OF MONEY. NEITHER DO 31 OTHER NFL TEAMS, Watch and you will see.

agree with u, but lets wait and see - i agree with everything except the neither do 31 NFL teams. ill bet u anything that soliai gets at least DOUBLE what the team was offering.

ill bet he gets at least $12 million in new money.

 

[hightempo]

Now that I see the numbers I understand why they didn't sign him. What is surprising that he is not playing big for the payoff next season. His agent is doing a disservice to him asking for 30 mil in guarantees. That won't happen.

his agent isnt doing a disservice to him at all maddog. his agent played this smart. and hes going to get every penny of what he was asking for at this point in time. the truth is the situation the way it played out kinda put both sides in a corner. there was no way to get a deal done here cause the dolphins werent going to pay him an additional $20 million in guarantees (and one reason might be because Ross wasnt going to approve a deal like that moving forward considering there may be new guys making this decsion in the offseason) so this is twofold. the dolphins werent going to give him that kind of money now because why not wait at this point? the price tag isnt likely to go much higher anyways at this point. so let him play on the tag and see how he performs.

from the agents standpoint -no sense in settling for much less than hell get on the open market

both sides KNEW THIS. thats why he was lowballed and thats why is was reported in the media the way it was.

the truth is there was never a negotiation in the first place. the 2 sides were just too far apart and both sides had a case. its just the circumstance of the whole situation. its just how it is.

no bad blood here and paul wasnt being greedy - he couldnt sign - u wouldnt sign. there really was no offer. in all likelihood soliai will sign somewhere else in the offseason. but its not out of the realm of possibility he comes back - hell just be coming back for much more than the $6 million the dolphins offered for future earnings

 

[dlockz]

it is happening. wait and see. if paul soliai plays anywhere near the level he played at last year it MOST CERTAINLY IS HAPPENING. and there is no question it will. and youll have your $30 million guaranteed because thats where hell be! the simple fact that another NT just signed for $18 guaranteed THIS year u think the price is going DOWN????? not a chance.

so should the team he signs with in the offseason include the $12 in guaranteed money he receives THIS year in their contract negotiations??? LMFAO

hey paul since u made $12 million last year - were gonna include that in ur guaranteed money moving forward. so were gonna offer u a contract for $18 million guaranteed but we are only going to pay u $6 million is that ok??? LMFAO

THINK GUYS. the money he made on that franchise tender IS IN THE BANK. its a DONE DEAL. why would he negotiate with money hes ALREADY BEEN PAID?????

just because the information that gets released through the press is presented in a certain way regarding contracts and negotiations DOES NOT MEAN THAT IS HOW THE NEGOTIATION TAKE PLACE AT THE TABLE. u DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH MONEY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID TO YOU. that is THE PAST. u get paid for FUTURE performance based on previous performance and expectation of that performance.

this is VERY SIMPLE. it honestly isnt rocket science here guys

and i dont fault ireland for paying the guy $20 million in new money right now. might as well let him play out the year. cause the price tag in likelihood isnt going to go up that much u wouldnt think. ireland is banking on EITHER that OR that his performance will level off and either he wont want to keep the guy or instead of paying him $18 million in new money - hell be able to sign him for something closer to $12 million or so (whatever the number is) a more reasonable figure. he is NOT going to only get $6 million in NEW MONEY next year. u can bank on THAT REGARDLESS. and therefore YES HE WAS LOWBALLED.

but both sides are correct at this point. it just is what it is

In reality his agent is bein greedy its standard practice to include this year in the negotiations. 30 mill guaranteed over a 4 year contract is way beyond what he should get. if he plays well it may work out but there is no guarantee he will get a contract worth 8 million a year anywhere else. Aubrayo franklin was franchised last year and this year and this year is playing under a one year 4 million dollar contract for a new team. The is precedent for what the dolphins are asking in this contract. Vince wilfork a much better dt than Solai got 25 million with the franchise number included in that bonus. hey if the defense keeps playing the same way it is now u can rest assure nobody will break the bank for solai. i still dont get where u are saying he made 12 million last year, this is the reason we were trying to get a deal done . Thuis is not past money we are talking about this is this seasons money that we are currently in, a whole two games.