PFF Tannehill analysis (3rd Ranked Passer)

[Fin Thirteen]

i'm not a pff guy but for my tape study they've called his performance thus far pretty right i dont know about the rankings stuff but i do know the tapes more sound than the pitchfork crowd will give it

I'm sorry Hoops, but the tape is nothing even near sound. Sure, he might make some decision with the ball that you couldn't objectively call "Bad" decisions, but that's not the yardstick for a good QB, no matter what you say. The yardstick is whether he makes yards and TDs for his offense by exploiting the defense to the maximum possible. Tannehill is mentally and physically incapable of exploiting defenses. If, as happened against the Pats, our gameplan was perfectly crafted to take advantage of the Pats deficiencies, Tannehill will sometimes run that gameplan capably and sometimes win as a result. That's what happened in Week 1. He helmed a gameplan that had the Patriots number and the gameplan succeeded, despite us leaving multiple scores on the field. He should have bought Moreno dinner afterward, that's for sure.

But when the gameplan isn't succeeding so well, or if the opponents deficiencies aren't showing up like you expected, Tannehill has nothing in the tank. Every week I watch QBs of all abilities hit an open receiver in stride down the field for a TD. They see a guy, he's in single coverage, he has the CB beaten and the QB lands a throw in his radius for a score. Tannehill appears incapable of hitting receivers in stride. He throws a flat, hard Henne-like ball that lacks touch and leads to more drops than you want. He can't lead a receiver with his throws. He doesn't have the vision or the touch to draw a receiver away from the defender. He has to hit a precise route spot or hit a guy in the numbers, even if that means the receiver has nowhere to go after catch. Even then, his accuracy is a bit ropey, he throws a lot of high balls.

He can't buy himself or his receivers time with his feet. When he rolls out, it's more like a sideways scramble than a quick movement to avid pressure and a reset of the feet. He can't decide to take downfield shots quickly, so he misses receivers and invites sacks. He processes the field pretty well, but his decision is usually the safe option and its thrown to avoid a pick rather than to lead a receiver. His downfield passing is too flat in trajectory and lacks touch.

There's no doubt he's a cool customer - doesn't let poor plays get to him too much. But he has to call on that trait a bit too often for my liking and the wow plays are way too few.

 

[Kencoboy]

Anymore Tannehill reminds me of Randall Cunningham when the Eagles tried to make him a pocket QB. Sometimes you have to let the kid just play and do what he does best. I don't think we have seen that from either the Sherman fiasco or Lazer, though from the little I've seen of the new offense I think it's more suited for RT's talents. There's something holding him back...maybe it's too much structure. Like someone said above..I'm worried too.

 

[Andyman]

PFF is total crap. Tannehill isn't 3rd in anything. You stat boys kill me with this crap. He's been bad both games so far.

He was not bad against NE. He wasn't great but not bad. If he was bad, how did Brady look? Some well thrown balls weren't caught and others that weren't perfect should have been. Buffalo's D is good and he wasn't great. Others have to play better too. Cam Wake should abuse an UDFA tackle for example...

 

[hoops]

I'm sorry Hoops, but the tape is nothing even near sound. Sure, he might make some decision with the ball that you couldn't objectively call "Bad" decisions, but that's not the yardstick for a good QB, no matter what you say. The yardstick is whether he makes yards and TDs for his offense by exploiting the defense to the maximum possible. Tannehill is mentally and physically incapable of exploiting defenses. If, as happened against the Pats, our gameplan was perfectly crafted to take advantage of the Pats deficiencies, Tannehill will sometimes run that gameplan capably and sometimes win as a result. That's what happened in Week 1. He helmed a gameplan that had the Patriots number and the gameplan succeeded, despite us leaving multiple scores on the field. He should have bought Moreno dinner afterward, that's for sure.

But when the gameplan isn't succeeding so well, or if the opponents deficiencies aren't showing up like you expected, Tannehill has nothing in the tank. Every week I watch QBs of all abilities hit an open receiver in stride down the field for a TD. They see a guy, he's in single coverage, he has the CB beaten and the QB lands a throw in his radius for a score. Tannehill appears incapable of hitting receivers in stride. He throws a flat, hard Henne-like ball that lacks touch and leads to more drops than you want. He can't lead a receiver with his throws. He doesn't have the vision or the touch to draw a receiver away from the defender. He has to hit a precise route spot or hit a guy in the numbers, even if that means the receiver has nowhere to go after catch. Even then, his accuracy is a bit ropey, he throws a lot of high balls.

He can't buy himself or his receivers time with his feet. When he rolls out, it's more like a sideways scramble than a quick movement to avid pressure and a reset of the feet. He can't decide to take downfield shots quickly, so he misses receivers and invites sacks. He processes the field pretty well, but his decision is usually the safe option and its thrown to avoid a pick rather than to lead a receiver. His downfield passing is too flat in trajectory and lacks touch.

There's no doubt he's a cool customer - doesn't let poor plays get to him too much. But he has to call on that trait a bit too often for my liking and the wow plays are way too few.

show me evidence then...reference specific plays...bills game please...i'm all ears...do so in my scoops thread if you don't mind...we can take this wherever you want to there...cause i want evidence...review the entire tape if need be prior

but if you want to call me out on it bring specifics to the table...

 

[FinHopeful]

PFF has guys sitting in the UK in basically an ivory tower and over think things like it's a Ph.D. thesis. They take a decent premise, stats lie because there are many moving parts, and then fall off the deep end creating a ridiculous idea to prove their point. They are very amateurish in their analysis and it's just not all that rigorous. You can't justify Tannehill 3rd. You may have a point somewhere but it gets lost in this ridiculous conclusion. If this were geometry proofs you may give them a C for showing some of their work but an F for the answer.

Your post is close to my opinion. The article does a very good job of explaining why many of us completely discount statistics when debating a QB. For instance, I agree with Lazor when he sates that the yards per type of stat does a reasonable job evaluating the passing game. It is a horrible stat for evaluating a QB for the reasons stated by the article.

I am not a fan of PFF. I do not believe he should be the 3rd in the list, but I do agree that is receivers are hurting instead of helping. Happily, the one exception through two game is Wallace. Wallace is not worth his salary, but I am pleased with his performance.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

show me evidence then...reference specific plays...bills game please...i'm all ears...do so in my scoops thread if you don't mind...we can take this wherever you want to there...cause i want evidence...review the entire tape if need be prior

but if you want to call me out on it bring specifics to the table...

Don't expect any of the haters to bring any real analysis. As I asked in another thread.... "does anyone think the rest of the offense played well? I got NO takers on that question.

Most of the haters watch the Dolphins, but only focus on poor plays by the QB. Other than that, they watch highlights and then complain that their hand picked poor plays don't match the highlights of the other QBs.

 

[hoops]

Don't expect any of the haters to bring any real analysis. As I asked in another thread.... "does anyone think the rest of the offense played well? I got NO takers on that question.

Most of the haters watch the Dolphins, but only focus on poor plays by the QB. Other than that, they watch highlights and then complain that their hand picked poor plays don't match the highlights of the other QBs.

we all want the same thing in the end...the qbs the most scrutinized position in football...and this is year 3 so i get it...but the tapes not suggesting those criticisms so far...unless he's gonna reference the specific plays i already acknowledged for execution issues...

 

[Andyman]

I'm sorry Hoops, but the tape is nothing even near sound. Sure, he might make some decision with the ball that you couldn't objectively call "Bad" decisions, but that's not the yardstick for a good QB, no matter what you say. The yardstick is whether he makes yards and TDs for his offense by exploiting the defense to the maximum possible. Tannehill is mentally and physically incapable of exploiting defenses. If, as happened against the Pats, our gameplan was perfectly crafted to take advantage of the Pats deficiencies, Tannehill will sometimes run that gameplan capably and sometimes win as a result. That's what happened in Week 1. He helmed a gameplan that had the Patriots number and the gameplan succeeded, despite us leaving multiple scores on the field. He should have bought Moreno dinner afterward, that's for sure.

But when the gameplan isn't succeeding so well, or if the opponents deficiencies aren't showing up like you expected, Tannehill has nothing in the tank. Every week I watch QBs of all abilities hit an open receiver in stride down the field for a TD. They see a guy, he's in single coverage, he has the CB beaten and the QB lands a throw in his radius for a score. Tannehill appears incapable of hitting receivers in stride. He throws a flat, hard Henne-like ball that lacks touch and leads to more drops than you want. He can't lead a receiver with his throws. He doesn't have the vision or the touch to draw a receiver away from the defender. He has to hit a precise route spot or hit a guy in the numbers, even if that means the receiver has nowhere to go after catch. Even then, his accuracy is a bit ropey, he throws a lot of high balls.

He can't buy himself or his receivers time with his feet. When he rolls out, it's more like a sideways scramble than a quick movement to avid pressure and a reset of the feet. He can't decide to take downfield shots quickly, so he misses receivers and invites sacks. He processes the field pretty well, but his decision is usually the safe option and its thrown to avoid a pick rather than to lead a receiver. His downfield passing is too flat in trajectory and lacks touch.

There's no doubt he's a cool customer - doesn't let poor plays get to him too much. But he has to call on that trait a bit too often for my liking and the wow plays are way too few.

He hit Landry in stride pefectly in the third quarter. He dropped a ball perfectly on a deep pass to stop-my-Hartline who flubbed it. He put another ball right in Dion Sims hands against NE in the end zone. Wallace couldn't keep his feet in bounds; that throw was fine. You say you see QB's making these throws every week. Sure you do - in the highlites. If you watch an entire game of even the best guys, they routinely miss throws. Underthrows, overthrows, behind the receiver. I see it a lot. The difference often is that they keep attacking downfield and that allows them to make big plays, not 5 and 7 yard gains repeatedly. Give this offense more than two games. I am not buying he cannot make these throws. Sometimes your receiver has to man up and snatch the ball and not break stride. Players like Hartline and Miller are awful at doing this. If they don't round their routes so much that would help too. Matthew has a TD on Sunday if he came back to the ball to want it more than the defender. The ball was a foot behind where it should have been but give me a break. I watched Jerry Rice catch that pass from Young for his record breaking throw at the goaline on NFLN last night and it was badly underthrown but he came back and attacked the ball in the air between two defenders. Watch the better receivers and how they snatch balls behind them and keep moving forward. Gates, Fitzgerald, Megatron, Julio Jones, etc. They all adjust to the ball and don't wait for it to hit them on every throw. This is a shared issue, not just on RT.

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Agree 100%. As I said in another post. If you just watch the highlites, sure, a lot of QBs look strong. But do they watch the whole game to see their errant throws/decisions? How'd Andrew Luck look the other night? I guess he doesn't have that 'it' because his team blew a big lead at home and he threw a pick in the red zone.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

BTW, I LOVE the use of the Wallace fail. Great throw by Tannehill.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Don't expect any of the haters to bring any real analysis. As I asked in another thread.... "does anyone think the rest of the offense played well? I got NO takers on that question.

Most of the haters watch the Dolphins, but only focus on poor plays by the QB. Other than that, they watch highlights and then complain that their hand picked poor plays don't match the highlights of the other QBs.

Fin Thirteen is a good poster who typically backs up his opinions with evidence and reasonable analysis, and doesn't trash on other people. I think calling him a hater, even if you don't agree with him, is pretty crummy, IMO.

 

[PhinFan1968]

BTW, I LOVE the use of the Wallace fail. Great throw by Tannehill.

He flicked that one on the move over 50 yards in the air. Anybody calls that a bad throw is simply a hater.

 

[BlueFin]

Say what you want either way....the article makes some great points.

This would look alot different had the receivers not dropped so many balls.....Hartline wasn't mentioned but he has been a let down as well.

 

[hoops]

Fin Thirteen is a good poster who typically backs up his opinions with evidence and reasonable analysis, and doesn't trash on other people. I think calling him a hater, even if you don't agree with him, is pretty crummy, IMO.

i agree...i wasnt going there...but if he wants to call me out well i'm your huckleberry give me evidence

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Fin Thirteen is a good poster who typically backs up his opinions with evidence and reasonable analysis, and doesn't trash on other people. I think calling him a hater, even if you don't agree with him, is pretty crummy, IMO.

I wasn't referring to him. My apologies if it appeared that way.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I wasn't referring to him. My apologies if it appeared that way.

I don't think it adds anything to the discussion when you call anyone out like that. Honestly it just makes you look bad.

Like let me give you an example: RTSuperBowl2014, aka Wallace17Miami, is here specifically to troll people like you and to get you to 'call him out' and get upset with him. I know that because I've known the guy for years and it's just something he does to get his kicks. All he's doing is making you look like a fool, and I think in the process you're also trashing a lot of people who are here to legitimately talk football by lumping them in with the trolls.