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PFF Tannehill analysis (3rd Ranked Passer)

IMO there are only 3-4 legitimately great QBs in the NFL and then maybe 10 guys who are definitely good enough to win it all but not good enough to carry a team on their backs to get there.

My 3-4 are Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers.

From 2012 I think Wilson has definitively shown himself to be in the group of 10, and I'm pretty confident Andrew Luck will be in there, too. RG3-10 blows and I'm still not sure what to think of Nick Foles... or Ryan Tannehill.

I would rank them 1. Rodgers 2. Peyton 3. Brees 4. Brady 5. Luck 6. Rivers Those are the ones that can carry their team and are "elite" 7. Big Ben 8. Russell 9. Ryan 10. Stafford 11. Newton 12. Cutler 13. Romo 14. Kaepernick I would say you can win it all with those QBs and a good football team around them.

PFF is a ****ing joke though. I think Tannehill has played the same as he always has. He's not been god awful like half the board thinks. But he's not the 2nd coming of Marino like the other thinks. I'm down the middle. If you get a chance to upgrade him do you? Absolutely. He's not "the guy" but at the same time he's not checkdown Chad, and they don't need to turn to Matt Moore either. He's a game manager that needs to start making better decisions and managing the game. I've said since before the season he's the 20th best QB in the league and nothing has changed my opinion in 2 games. Some people need to step back from the ledge, some people already inducted him into the hall of fame. Then there are a few that take the middle ground like me and you.

It's the same issues that keep coming up though. Field vision, decision making, overall instincts for the position, ability to work through progressions quickly, mental understanding of the game, pocket presence, deep ball accuracy and batted passes because he has a low delivery point. Those issues have been there since college and aren't going anywhere.
 
I will add he can throw comebacks and curls with the best of them in the league. Glad to see they started calling more of those against Buffalo and with the cushion Wallace gets it's almost a guaranteed first down every time. He does have great timing on those throws.
 
PFF isn't statistical analysis.

PFF is the exact opposite of statistical analysis. It's having someone grade tape and apply the eyeball test for 'pass/fail.'

IMO the biggest problem with PFF is that they don't have real scouts grading tape, just people who apply and get hired. You'll note that sometimes they revise their grades (as they did in the case of a number of Dolphins players this week) once someone higher up in the food change gets a whiff of things.

Amazing that the difference needs to be explained.
 
My man Awsi spittin' some more home brewed truth. :hi5:

Sure. As long as the "home brewed truth" includes a complete ignorance of the facts. I feel sorry for the "truth" spewers now that it is so easy to fact check their nonsense. :hi5:
 
Last night I watched the coaches film of the game. This is the first time I have had NFL Rewind since they added the coaches film. I was also skipping the Bills offensive plays and only watching the Dolphins. I will say that it gives a totally difference vibe when watching the game. It is easy to lose track of the score, momentum swings, etc. I can easily see how the opinion of Tannehill's performance would be different based on how you view the game.

While watching live, I had a generally bad (but not awful) impression that is largely based on the performance of the offense as a whole but also based on how the game is going (including defense and special teams). They just weren't clicking for many reasons and it is frustrating because of the game situation.

Watching the coaches film I tend to look at each play without emotion. It that situation, Tannehill's play looks fine. Not great, just fine. The offense still wasn't explosive enough but you don't get the impression that it should be pinned all on the QB.

IMO, this is part of the difference between the fans' impression of the game and PFF's grades. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle because it does matter when you execute at a higher level and when you don't.
 
Those are team stats. I don't thing anyone is happy with how the team is playing.



Do you even bother to check what you are writing about? Did you bother to look at Brees' college completion %, YPA or TD/INT ratio and how they compare to Tannehill's?

Brees

1026 1678 61.1 11792 7.0 6.9 90 45 132.5

Tannehill

484 774 62.5 5450 7.0 6.9 42 21 134.2

Could they be any closer? Where is this greatness you speak of?

I get it, Tannehill didn't start until his junior year. IMO, that is because Sherman is an idiot.



That looks like a pretty damn big adjustment to me. Does Tannehill get the same adjustment for shaking off the Sherman mentality?

what do you expect...these are the same people that said tannehill would have sat for johnny manziel...even though manziel can't beat out brian hoyer for gods sakes and get any run in the cesspool known as cleveland
 
what do you expect...these are the same people that said tannehill would have sat for johnny manziel...even though manziel can't beat out brian hoyer for gods sakes and get any run in the cesspool known as cleveland

I welcome debate on the question of Tannehill but dishonest debate (intentional or not) pisses me off.
 
Those are team stats. I don't thing anyone is happy with how the team is playing.



Do you even bother to check what you are writing about? Did you bother to look at Brees' college completion %, YPA or TD/INT ratio and how they compare to Tannehill's?

Brees

1026 1678 61.1 11792 7.0 6.9 90 45 132.5

Tannehill

484 774 62.5 5450 7.0 6.9 42 21 134.2

Could they be any closer? Where is this greatness you speak of?

I get it, Tannehill didn't start until his junior year. IMO, that is because Sherman is an idiot.



That looks like a pretty damn big adjustment to me. Does Tannehill get the same adjustment for shaking off the Sherman mentality?

As my 13 yr old son would say......"Like a boss!!"

Blind haters spewing nonsense to feed an agenda usually get called out by someone with an aptitude for research.
 
what do you expect...these are the same people that said tannehill would have sat for johnny manziel...even though manziel can't beat out brian hoyer for gods sakes and get any run in the cesspool known as cleveland

Do you notice that when challenged, he disappears?
 
Last night I watched the coaches film of the game. This is the first time I have had NFL Rewind since they added the coaches film. I was also skipping the Bills offensive plays and only watching the Dolphins. I will say that it gives a totally difference vibe when watching the game. It is easy to lose track of the score, momentum swings, etc. I can easily see how the opinion of Tannehill's performance would be different based on how you view the game.

While watching live, I had a generally bad (but not awful) impression that is largely based on the performance of the offense as a whole but also based on how the game is going (including defense and special teams). They just weren't clicking for many reasons and it is frustrating because of the game situation.

Watching the coaches film I tend to look at each play without emotion. It that situation, Tannehill's play looks fine. Not great, just fine. The offense still wasn't explosive enough but you don't get the impression that it should be pinned all on the QB.

IMO, this is part of the difference between the fans' impression of the game and PFF's grades. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle because it does matter when you execute at a higher level and when you don't.

I watched the coaches view too and agree with you that Tannehill's play-by-play performance wasn't awful. But the margin between a loss and a win often come down to a few key plays OR to the QB saying "screw this, I'm going to make something happen".

When the rest of the offense isn't clicking, it's very fashionable on here to say "why does the QB have to take the rap for the offense?" The answer is "because he's the QB". It's on him. Tannehill admitted exactly that himself. He has to make those few key plays count or conjure up a bit of magic and - so far in his career - there just aren't enough of them from the guy.

Russell Wilson (to use him again in comparison, boring I know) isn't a great QB per se, but he accepts the burden of being the QB and he runs with it, relishes it, thrives on it (and yes I also know Seattle lost). Tannehill is a piece in a system and when the system isn't clicking, he's no more capable of taking control of the game than any other of the pieces in the system. When the system is working, he's pretty OK. When it's not, his PFF stats are still OK but we lose, so who cares?
 
PFF is total crap. Tannehill isn't 3rd in anything. You stat boys kill me with this crap. He's been bad both games so far.

You didn't read the article did you...The author clearly states this isn't a stat crunch. Not saying Tannehill should be 3rd on anything at all, but stats are not the focal point of this article.
 
I watched the coaches view too and agree with you that Tannehill's play-by-play performance wasn't awful. But the margin between a loss and a win often come down to a few key plays OR to the QB saying "screw this, I'm going to make something happen".

I believe he does say "screw this" I am going to make something happen. We saw in the second half when he held the ball too long and took additional sacks.

When the rest of the offense isn't clicking, it's very fashionable on here to say "why does the QB have to take the rap for the offense?" The answer is "because he's the QB". It's on him. Tannehill admitted exactly that himself. He has to make those few key plays count or conjure up a bit of magic and - so far in his career - there just aren't enough of them from the guy.

Russell Wilson (to use him again in comparison, boring I know) isn't a great QB per se, but he accepts the burden of being the QB and he runs with it, relishes it, thrives on it (and yes I also know Seattle lost). Tannehill is a piece in a system and when the system isn't clicking, he's no more capable of taking control of the game than any other of the pieces in the system. When the system is working, he's pretty OK. When it's not, his PFF stats are still OK but we lose, so who cares?

Yes, that is the job description for a QB.
 
PFF is total crap. Tannehill isn't 3rd in anything. You stat boys kill me with this crap. He's been bad both games so far.

I'm typically a stat guy but really all you need to do it WATCH A GAME to determine that unfortunately he picked up where he left off last season and through 2 games hasnt iimproved from last season. And I believe in him so hopefully he can make a drastic turnaround.
 
I watched the coaches view too and agree with you that Tannehill's play-by-play performance wasn't awful. But the margin between a loss and a win often come down to a few key plays OR to the QB saying "screw this, I'm going to make something happen".

When the rest of the offense isn't clicking, it's very fashionable on here to say "why does the QB have to take the rap for the offense?" The answer is "because he's the QB". It's on him. Tannehill admitted exactly that himself. He has to make those few key plays count or conjure up a bit of magic and - so far in his career - there just aren't enough of them from the guy.

Russell Wilson (to use him again in comparison, boring I know) isn't a great QB per se, but he accepts the burden of being the QB and he runs with it, relishes it, thrives on it (and yes I also know Seattle lost). Tannehill is a piece in a system and when the system isn't clicking, he's no more capable of taking control of the game than any other of the pieces in the system. When the system is working, he's pretty OK. When it's not, his PFF stats are still OK but we lose, so who cares?

Russell Wilson isn't asked to do half of what Tannehill does in an offense. There are very very few QBs that can regularly do what you describe. Wilson (so far) hasn't needed to be one of them. Waiting on one of them is likely to be an exercise in futility. Even the magical young QBs, Luck and Wilson are a combined 1-3. IMO, your impressions of Wilson are based largely on the fact that the team has won. He is surrounded by a ton of talent. Last season I pointed out that Seattle had a very good record (something like 4-2) when Wilson played poorly. Miami, OTOH was something like 1-5. That doesn't tell me that the QB is magical when the team isn't clicking. It tells me that the team still performs when the QB isn't clicking. I asked this question last season, and I'll ask you here. In a game where Tannehill is a little off, do you have the feeling that someone else on the offense is going to pick up the slack? After week 1, I thought it was going to be Moreno and the running game this year.

The Philly-Indy game on Monday night is the perfect example of this. Foles was definitely off target in that game. What happened? Sproles and McCoy put the team on their backs and they won anyway. Every screen pass to McCoy or Sproles looks like a potential TD. The Dolphins screen passes look like a potential disaster. I think it will get better but so far this offense is still not sharp. The offense against Buffalo had no rhythm, no pace. Good defense? Poor execution? Poor play calling (or good defensive play calling)? Probably a little of all of the above.

I think looking for a bit of magic to rescue an offense is a fantasy. They need execution from everybody on offense, defense and special teams.
 
Russell Wilson isn't asked to do half of what Tannehill does in an offense. There are very very few QBs that can regularly do what you describe. Wilson (so far) hasn't needed to be one of them. Waiting on one of them is likely to be an exercise in futility. Even the magical young QBs, Luck and Wilson are a combined 1-3. IMO, your impressions of Wilson are based largely on the fact that the team has won. He is surrounded by a ton of talent. Last season I pointed out that Seattle had a very good record (something like 4-2) when Wilson played poorly. Miami, OTOH was something like 1-5. That doesn't tell me that the QB is magical when the team isn't clicking. It tells me that the team still performs when the QB isn't clicking. I asked this question last season, and I'll ask you here. In a game where Tannehill is a little off, do you have the feeling that someone else on the offense is going to pick up the slack? After week 1, I thought it was going to be Moreno and the running game this year.

The Philly-Indy game on Monday night is the perfect example of this. Foles was definitely off target in that game. What happened? Sproles and McCoy put the team on their backs and they won anyway. Every screen pass to McCoy or Sproles looks like a potential TD. The Dolphins screen passes look like a potential disaster. I think it will get better but so far this offense is still not sharp. The offense against Buffalo had no rhythm, no pace. Good defense? Poor execution? Poor play calling (or good defensive play calling)? Probably a little of all of the above.

I think looking for a bit of magic to rescue an offense is a fantasy. They need execution from everybody on offense, defense and special teams.

Disagree with me by all means, but don't patronise me. I've been watching Russell Wilson since he was in NC State. I feel like an ass for having to say that, but please don't project on me what I think or don't think about him or anyone else.

For what it's worth, I agree with you in general. Russell has the luxury in Seattle of not having to always be good and they still have a run game and a great D to lean on. But people also use that to undervalue just what that kid achieves with his offense. It's not like his or the team's passing stats are poor, even with the limited gameplan they ask him to run, even though defenses have a lot easier a time keying the Seattle system because it isn't wildly complicated. He also help Lynch's run game by running the read option well.

What makes Russell good is that he does what he's supposed to do, he puts the ball where it needs to be more often than not and - when it's needed - he makes that throw or finds that receiver that keeps the drive/game alive. I'm sure he's very grateful that others can step up in his place, but he's also demonstrated that he can be that guy. It's not gaudy, he's not perfect, but he's very dependable when he's needed to be.

Tannehill would love guys to step up for him when he's off. He can thank Jeff Ireland and Joe Philbin that there really isn't anybody (bar Moreno hopefully and Clay when he's recovered fully). It's a harder job to be more heavily relied upon, for sure. But when a receiver does produce something special, like Wallace getting the jump on Graham in single coverage deep downfield, Ryan has to hold up his end of the bargain and hit him. That's the QBs job. That's why they get mollycoddled and adulated, don't get rotated in games and that's why they get the big bucks.

The Buffalo game wasn't on Tannehill by any means. But if your guy can't make something happen, inject the momentum, get the mojo working, then he's just a system piece like any other roster player and we should talk about him at the level he merits, like we would Brandon Gibson or Reshad Jones.
 
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