PFT: Tannehill gearing up for a holdout?

[Hayden Fox]

I don't care. I really want him on the sides all this year.

 

[cdz12250]

At the end of the day, a lot of great quarterbacks started as rookies, and he is clearly not one of them. The guy is a project. Let him hold out. We have a decent starter and a quality backup, whichever way the competition turns out.

 

[Nublar7]

Right, its only taken 5 years so far.. Maybe in another 5 we will be in great cap position. Some vaunted capologist she has turned out to be.. She did such a great job with Cleveland. No wonder they fired her. She did such an awesome job there

She was hired two years ago, not five.

 

[Valandui]

I think people protested to get the wrong person fired.

 

[Chevylevy]

he will sign...............no worries

 

[ckparrothead]

Both Indy and Washington has this language in their contracts with Luck and Griffin III as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs.../07/17/gJQA78aerW_blog.html?tid=pm_sports_pop

Both Indy and Washington, as well as Carolina and even New England...have fully guaranteed the 4th year portions of the guaranteed money given in their contracts.

In fact, Whitney Mercilus is the only 1st round pick I've heard of (maybe there are others) that accepted the offset language for the 4th year.

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This venom toward Dawn Aponte is in my opinion misdirected. She reports directly to Jeff Ireland. Everything that happens in that negotiations room is reported to Ireland and if he didn't want her to stick to her guns on the offset language, she'd have already dropped it.

 

[Spesh]

Both Indy and Washington has this language in their contracts with Luck and Griffin III as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs.../07/17/gJQA78aerW_blog.html?tid=pm_sports_pop

Twice in this thread youve suggested that Indy and Washington got offset language into their contracts to protect themselves. Its the exact opposite. Indy and Washington were the ones to cave into Luck and Griffen's demands.

The Colts signed Luck, who was taken with the first overall pick in the April draft, to a four-year, $22.1 million contract, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
The deal is fully guaranteed, with no offset language, a source told Schefter. According to the Indianapolis Star, the deal also includes a $14.5 million signing bonus.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8181466/no-1-overall-pick-andrew-luck-signs-indianapolis-colts

Griffin's four-year contract is worth $21.1 million and is fully guaranteed, with no offset language, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8...gn-robert-griffin-iii-according-adam-schefter

 

[Zounds]

i wish they would just fire that broad...

Apote's position is overrated. She is just a "capologist", which any person with basic math and bookkeeping skills is qualified to do imo. With knowlege of the players' contract, I think just about anyone can do the math.

The issue with Tannehill isnt a cap issue though, its a negotiating issue, which falls on Ireland. I wont be upset until Tannehill missies the first practice. Until then, Ireland can insist on the language in the contract, which sends a message to Tannehill that he could be cut after 3 season if he doesnt perform - a message I agree with. I'd expect them to drop the contract language issue before TC though.

 

[NYPhinzFan]

We havent been in good salary cap position since Aponte took over.. Was a HUGE mistake to hire this fake who has no idea what shes doing

LOL, dude, do you even KNOW what she does? How could you know that she has no idea what she's doing? I hope you're being funny.

 

[insomnia411]

This dick didn't even deserve to be taken 8th overall, and now he's going to hold out, huh?
I'm less and less of a Tannehill fan every day.

 

[ckparrothead]

Mark Barron the #7 overall pick just signed a contract fully guaranteed with NO offset language. That means #7 overall and #9 overall both had fully guaranteed no offset contracts. If Miami insists on the offset language and a holdout ensues, the Dolphins and Jeff Ireland will be heavily criticized on that basis...and they'd deserve it.

 

[Nublar7]

The Vikings are also apparently standing firm with Kalil over offset language. So let's not pretend the Dolphins are acting alone. If they eventually cave and don't put it in his contract they fall in line with the rest of the top 10. If Tannehill caves and they put the language in the contract, suddenly Miami is the team the rest of the top 10 wishes they were. With still a week until camp, Miami has the time to hold firm and try and get it.

 

[cdz12250]

Some idle speculation here. Just dealing with the insomnia, so I'll throw this up for discussion:

Is Ireland evaluating what he's seen of Tannehill thus far? I know that camp hasn't even started yet, but it seems from reports of OTAs that so far (ridiculously early as it is), Tannehill hasn't shown that he should have been drafted #8 overall, or that his knowledge of the system from A&M is going to be a factor. Could seem to Ireland that the club is going to have to pay Tannehill quite a bit of money to sit on the bench behind two at best mediocre QBs, while people like Flacco started immediately. Far short of Marino, Tannehill may turn out not to even be Flacco.

Are we beginning to see a bit of buyer's remorse on the part of Ireland? Is he thinking that maybe he whiffed on Tannehill and he needs to start thinking about recovering some of the guaranteed money if they have to give up on him? Does he think Tannehill is in a weak negotiating position, and may accept the language, based on what he's (not) shown so far?

Don't get me wrong. I hope that Tannehill tears up the league. Just thinking that Ireland may be a bit touchy about striking out on Marino's replacement yet again, and doesn't want to have the dead cap space from the failure when he has to try again (assuming he's still around). Or it could have nothing to do with it. The offset may indeed be a concept the league wants introduced into guaranteed contracts.

Not that the language is such an outrageous concept, either. We're committing to pay Tannehill all these millions, regardless of how he actually performs. That's what "guaranteed" means. Say, for example, that the guaranteed amount were four million in his fourth year. If he doesn't work out; in fact, if he stinks it up, and we have to cut him at the end of the third year, we will have failed again at getting a franchise QB and still have to pay him the guaranteed four million after he's gone.

Now say he signs up with another team, which also agrees to pay him four million. He would end up with our four million and the new club's four million in his pocket for the fourth year, while the club gets nothing but dead cap space for its last four million..

The offset language allows the club to set what the new club pays Tannehill off against our guaranteed obligation. If Tannehill makes at least the same four million with the new team, he doesn't get to double-dip, and we're off the hook for that last four million.

It's an attempt to re-introduce accountability for a player's performance into the guaranteed money; or in other words, to condition the back end of the guarantee on his performing well. I can sympathize with the club, but the end result is that the last year is no longer really guaranteed, and Tannehill is probably not going to be the first to accept it. It could get ugly.

 

[DolphinCV]

Even he knows he won't play right away. There's no sense of urgency.

 

[prim3time]

8th overall Might as well holdout not like he is going to play anytime soon.