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Hard to pay the big money when you have doubts he's a upgrade.
Philbin and Ireland were "not entirely convinced" he would beat out Moore (Flynn)
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It would be amazing if Ireland gets another year to just wait around on the QB position. Yeah, I like Moore ahead of most options. Personally, I'm not a big believer in Flynn, though I would like to have seen us bring him in under the same cautious circumstances Sea created. I'm not sure how much better next year's QB crop is going to be or how able we are to put ourselves in a position to get one. I love Barkley, but we're not going to have a chance at him. There are 2 absolutely elite QB prospects in this year's draft that we aren't in range for or at least weren't willing to put ourselves in range.
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Exactly. If Philbin thought he was the answer Flynn would be a Dolphin. Miami of all teams should be skeptical of another backup QB coming in and not becoming the solution. How many times can we get burnt going that route? Everyone bitches that Miami doesn't put a premium on the position and take one in the 1st round and finally the signs point in that direction and Ireland gets bashed for not signing Flynn. I guess thats a bad idea too because the youtube "draft gurus" from this site say Tannehill sucks. If Miami takes him, and I hope they do, obviously I hope he pans out. If he doesn't, i'll be upset but at least Miami finally took a shot at a first round QB. But I guess we should have paid for a QB that his own OC didn't think was that much of an upgrade over the QB currently on the roster but I guess its more logical to whine that Ireland low balled him. That seems way more logical
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We went into the qb hunt knowing that Philbin knew Flynn the best, and Sherman knows Tannehill the best. Guys, we have to put trust into those two in this qb matter. If Flynn was the man, Philbin would have pushed to get him. Obviously, he didn't push the issue thinking Flynn was not their franchise qb.
And we'll see on the other side with Tannehill afte rthe draft, assuming we have Tannehill at 8 for our choosing.
And we'll see on the other side with Tannehill afte rthe draft, assuming we have Tannehill at 8 for our choosing.
Agreed. If Philbin had pushed Flynn Ross would have had him signed period regardless of what people think Ireland tried to do.
There would no need for damage control. Sure the Phins need a franchise QB but if they didn't view Flynn as that, who cares? ESPN says they should've signed him, who are they?
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This.
if Philbin didnt want to go all out for him, then there was no need to. Philbin also has watched tape. he and sherman are running the offense. they know what they have and who can do it. we have to trust this new group here. see what happens then we can judge after this season.
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If Matt Moore beats out Garrard, and i suspect he will, and then produces in top ten, then they will extend matt moore, provided they see the rookie, should there be one, prove to be better. Its a wise way of doing business. Flynn wasnt worth the extra money this year they would pay. And there were no reports out there stating Flynn was a high priority or not. That was all media driven. like most crap spouted out there. some put more weight on what the media says, some dont. I dont. i dont trust the media cus they act on the part of players where billionares are the bad guys. its just politics.
Why did we bring him in? After he had just visited with another interested team, we offer him less than we would David Garrard? What sense does that make? Cle has a need at QB, but they didn't feel Flynn was the right option so they didn't waste everyone's time by pursuing him. If our opinion of him is so low, why did these professionals waste their time? It wasn't to help a brother out with his Sea contract considering the stories of our lowballing got out. Unless completely oblivious to reality why would we even approach him with the idea that we'd sign him to a backup's contract? It seems more likely our FO got beat by Seattle's.
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Seattle made him feel more comfortable it wasnt about money.
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the thing with miami that seperates us from most teams is we are always stuck doing the safe thing and as long as we stay doing safe things we will always be .500 and below.
You make some points that are difficult to refute. I for one believe they set an arbitrary number on Flynn based on Philbin's input and his understanding that he needed some cap flexibility and for the regime not to look bad if a well paid Flynn got lifted for Moore or a draft pick. Considering his HC career is riding on it, I'd think he'd want to keep his options open and not be forced into playing someone because of their paycheck like NYJ is with Sanchez. And then again maybe not.
Either way, the way I look at this philosophically is literally identical to the way I ending up judging the Fisher fiasco:
"Sometimes the right thing happens for the wrong reasons!!!"
Money does that and yes it is!
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That might be true of just about any QB but maybe Tebow. Jackson's essentially failed on two different teams, including a Vikes team that was a QB away from making a big playoff run.
If the Pack's former OC isn't sold on Flynn, then it's best to pass. A 7th round draft pick with 2 NFL games under his belt is NOT the guy you bet on to be a franchise QB -- or even a backup QB -- especially when those two starts were with one of the NFL's highest powered offenses. Guaranteed Flynn will look different on another team. He might develop into something, but I can't see that he'd be that much better than Moore the next couple of seasons.
I personally don't think Moore's an awful QB. Like Ryan Fitzpatrick of the Bills, he doesn't get much respect because he's not a high draft pick and doesn't play on a winning team, but he's better than Mark "I Can't Read Ds So I'll Hold the Ball Until I Get Sacked" Sanchez or the overrated Kevin Kolb.
That's my thought process. What im told I should believe is that after seeing Seattle hot and heavy for Flynn, after knowing that Flynn was looking to be a starter and get paid starter money and after knowing Seattle was offering him just that, this happened: Ireland and philbin decided that Flynn wasn't worth paying over Matt Moore, that they would offer Flynn a contract that he would never accept, tell him he would be competing with Moore for the starting gig and then after all this still bring him in for a charade of a visit that was a waste of everyones time.