Philbin and Ireland were "not entirely convinced" he would beat out Moore (Flynn)

[Mogwai]

You make some points that are difficult to refute. I for one believe they set an arbitrary number on Flynn based on Philbin's input and his understanding that he needed some cap flexibility and for the regime not to look bad if a well paid Flynn got lifted for Moore or a draft pick. Considering his HC career is riding on it, I'd think he'd want to keep his options open and not be forced into playing someone because of their paycheck like NYJ is with Sanchez. And then again maybe not.

Either way, the way I look at this philosophically is literally identical to the way I ending up judging the Fisher fiasco:

"Sometimes the right thing happens for the wrong reasons!!!"​

That's fair. I actually feel Philbin might be a little worried about his career right now. People talk like trading Marshall and passing on Flynn are all part of Philbin's plan. But if anything can be taken from this offseason so far it's the sense that there is no real plan. By not signing Flynn we chose to fill that cap space with Hicks and Garrard. I admire the contract Flynn signed with Seattle. It was clever and allows them a great deal of flexibility moving forward. Philbin's options at this point are Moore, Garrard, or a rookie. I don't know how much better that makes him feel.

 

[Mogwai]

That's my thought process. What im told I should believe is that after seeing Seattle hot and heavy for Flynn, after knowing that Flynn was looking to be a starter and get paid starter money and after knowing Seattle was offering him just that, this happened: Ireland and philbin decided that Flynn wasn't worth paying over Matt Moore, that they would offer Flynn a contract that he would never accept, tell him he would be competing with Moore for the starting gig and then after all this still bring him in for a charade of a visit that was a waste of everyones time.

Yeah that's what we're being forced to believe and it makes no sense. If that is actually what happened then those are the actions of crazy people. Ireland couldn't realistically have been bargain hunting. This is a QB desperate league. Ireland had to have known there was going to be competition and that would have resulted in needing to make an aggressive offer. Ireland has not proven himself difficult to outmaneuver. Seattle just beat him in connecting with and persuading Flynn.

 

[NYPhin24]

the thing with miami that seperates us from most teams is we are always stuck doing the safe thing and as long as we stay doing safe things we will always be .500 and below.

trading two #2 for a troubled diva WR that everyone was clamoring for was not "safe" by any means, he got accused of domestic abuse, was involved in a stabbing with his wife, and punched a women in the face, has a personality disorder, yelled at the QB on the sideline constantly , threw tantrums on the field, and dropped 7+ Touchdowns

not exactly what i would call a safe move and most likely an example why keeping it "safe" usually works out better

 

[Fintastical1025]

I'm sorry but you don't spend 2 days with a guy, put him through all the tests, and then offer a contract if you don't think he is much better. Why do Fin fans go through this cycle. Near the end of last season everyone wanted Ireland gone and knew we needed a legit QB. Now here we are Matt Moore and David Garrard are fighting it out to be the starters and people are starting to defend the dolphins again.

I'll tell you what. If you want to find a legit QB to lead your franchise you need some trial and error and to spend some money. You can't put a price on finding your franchise QB and we did.

 

[andyahs]

I'm sorry but you don't spend 2 days with a guy, put him through all the tests, and then offer a contract if you don't think he is much better. Why do Fin fans go through this cycle. Near the end of last season everyone wanted Ireland gone and knew we needed a legit QB. Now here we are Matt Moore and David Garrard are fighting it out to be the starters and people are starting to defend the dolphins again.

I'll tell you what. If you want to find a legit QB to lead your franchise you need some trial and error and to spend some money. You can't put a price on finding your franchise QB and we did.

So you wanted Matt Flynn regardless? Tell me he would have been a legitimate upgrade over Moore.

 

[Mogwai]

I'm sorry but you don't spend 2 days with a guy, put him through all the tests, and then offer a contract if you don't think he is much better. Why do Fin fans go through this cycle. Near the end of last season everyone wanted Ireland gone and knew we needed a legit QB. Now here we are Matt Moore and David Garrard are fighting it out to be the starters and people are starting to defend the dolphins again.

I'll tell you what. If you want to find a legit QB to lead your franchise you need some trial and error and to spend some money. You can't put a price on finding your franchise QB and we did.

Perfectly said.

 

[Fintastical1025]

So you wanted Matt Flynn regardless? Tell me he would have been a legitimate upgrade over Moore.

I don't have to tell you. This is a fan base that believed in the Parcell way. They believed and Chad Henne. They also are no defending a Matt Moore/David Garrard QB competition. I'll let the QB play of both individuals speak for themselves. Again you can't get a franchise QB if you don't try.

So what he has only played 2 games. That doesn't mean he didn't learn behind the best QB in football. But hey when we are terrible again and have to go through this process yet again don't be bitching when we screw it up yet again.

 

[andyahs]

I don't have to tell you. This is a fan base that believed in the Parcell way. They believed and Chad Henne. They also are no defending a Matt Moore/David Garrard QB competition. I'll let the QB play of both individuals speak for themselves. Again you can't get a franchise QB if you don't try.

So what he has only played 2 games. That doesn't mean he didn't learn behind the best QB in football. But hey when we are terrible again and have to go through this process yet again don't be bitching when we screw it up yet again.

So your answer is yes Flynn to you is our franchise QB for the future? Got it.

 

[Fintastical1025]

So your answer is yes Flynn to you is our franchise QB for the future? Got it.

No I said you can't get a franchise QB if you don't try. But if we are talking Matt Flynn vs. Matt Moore Flynn will blow him out of the water this year. There is not one ounce of hope I have in Matt Moore. Last time he put up a "career year" he followed by getting the Panthers a number 1 pick.

Now of course you will say getting the number 1 pick is great, but that just would mean I told you so. Only in Miami are fans OK with settling for Matt Moore and David Garrard.

 

[NYPhinzFan]

I've been saying this since the beginning. No way Ireland was making this move by himself; he without a doubt leveraged Philbin's knowledge and judgment of Flynn.

People say "why bring him in if you didn't believe in him?", and that question sounds very stupid and very Fin-fanbase-like. You bring him in because he piques your interest, he knows your system and you want him to come in to compete. No different than why they brought in Matt Moore last year; he ran a similar system in Carolina to what Daboll ran. Now if Matt Moore wanted $8m a year, we would've moved on just like we did with Flynn. But that's the short-sighted Dolphin fan for you.

 

[Vaark]

My perspective:

I think on the basis of his strong 6-3 finish for a 6-10 team....

(over that same span, better than Sanchez's and identical to Ryan's except Ryan, over this stretch beat teams with a .305 winning percentage vs Moore beating teams with a .440 winning percentage and of course Moore was 1 pt short of beating the SB Giants vs how we know Ryan's offense went)

...having the 12th best QBR and 4th best long ball accuracy rating, especially considering what he had to work with, had Moore had been a free agent, there'd have been as much buzz about him if not more than Flynn with his 2 games for an offensive juggernaut. I'd venture to say that some of the same Moore critics here would have been as enthusiastic about him as they were about Flynn, if it were he coming to us from Green Bay.

 

[Mogwai]

I've been saying this since the beginning. No way Ireland was making this move by himself; he without a doubt leveraged Philbin's knowledge and judgment of Flynn.

People say "why bring him in if you didn't believe in him?", and that question sounds very stupid and very Fin-fanbase-like. You bring him in because he piques your interest, he knows your system and you want him to come in to compete. No different than why they brought in Matt Moore last year; he ran a similar system in Carolina to what Daboll ran. Now if Matt Moore wanted $8m a year, we would've moved on just like we did with Flynn. But that's the short-sighted Dolphin fan for you.

There's really no opinion I value higher than the insulting out of towner who throws digs at the fanbase he claims to be a part of. The fact that asking why bring someone in when you have no interest seems like a stupid question to you is pretty telling. Moore and Flynn had completely different perceived values when they hit the open market. You're not offering Mario Williams 2M to come compete with Tony McDaniel when Buffalo's offer is on the table.

 

[DevilInPgh]

Gerrard has a great track record IMO, Flynn has merely 2 games with possible the best receiving corps in the league.

I guarantee you he turns into Kolb,

We got a deal in Gerrard, a veteran with something to prove.

He could easily turn into Matt Hasselbeck as well.

 

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

Duplicate!

 

[hoops]

My perspective:

I think on the basis of his strong 6-3 finish for a 6-10 team....

(over that same span, better than Sanchez's and identical to Ryan's except Ryan, over this stretch beat teams with a .305 winning percentage vs Moore beating teams with a .440 winning percentage and of course Moore was 1 pt short of beating the SB Giants vs how we know Ryan's offense went)

...having the 12th best QBR and 4th best long ball accuracy rating, especially considering what he had to work with, had Moore had been a free agent, there'd have been as much buzz about him if not more than Flynn with his 2 games for an offensive juggernaut. I'd venture to say that some of the same Moore critics here would have been as enthusiastic about him as they were about Moore, if it were he coming to us from Green Bay.

i wouldn't have...i can tell ya that...