Philbin Supporters: Make Your Case

[Lilseb93]

Posts like these are exactly why you will never get a decent conversation going at Finheaven. I'd really like to respond to the OP, but I cant even take this site seriously anymore...

Nobody forces you to post here. Finheaven isn't much different than any other Dolphins site, group, or forum that I've been around. Same reactions really.

 

[Dr. Phin]

They don't have a case....they just "like the guy"...but can't point to anything related to actually doing X's and 0's that says he's worth ****!

 

[Dr. Phin]

Posts like these are exactly why you will never get a decent conversation going at Finheaven. I'd really like to respond to the OP, but I cant even take this site seriously anymore...

I used to make coherent posts, but would get roasted by idiots that never get anything right and don't know **** about football. I gave up...now it is just one-liners because that I all I can take with the mentality here. The people who don't know **** have their little groups and run around grilling anyone not in-line with their view. That's life in HomerHeaven...

 

[roy_miami]

There have been subtle clues the team is ascending this season. We were in the top 10 in the power rankings twice. The biggest indication however is the betting lines have almost always been surprising to shocking to me. As fans I think we're too close to the situation, we can't see the forest for the trees and need to rely on outside forces to ground us. When did Seahawks fans realize they became a good team? I guarantee some of them were still bashing Pete Carol and Russel Wilson well into their season last year, maybe some still are. After the Patriots game I thought that maybe we made the leap from average to good, even with the worst o-line in franchise history giving up the most sacks and was good for 6th worst in rushing yards in franchise history.

Something must be at play here--I know the reason is not Ireland, its not Sherman, Coyle and the defense isn't great, Tannehill is a good QB but he's no difference maker yet. What we've been great at is being disciplined (fewest penalty yards over the past 2 seasons) and game/clock management. I think people underestimate how much a "stupid" coach undermines a team, like Sparano calling timeouts on turnovers, not all football players are dumb as rocks, if they see their headcoach is stupid how can they respect him? I don't know if Philbin is good or just another average coach but I'm pretty sure he's not bad and I think its worth risking one more season of mediocrity to avoid the risk firing a good coach.

I'd give him one more year and anything short of 10 wins discard him and probably Tannehill along with him.

 

[Buddy]

The first part of this year, I was impressed with the game plans and particularly the half-time adjustments. However, that changed very rapidly after the first three or four games. These past two games were among the worst offensive game plans that I have ever seen with no discernable adjustments. I want to give this staff one more year but am having a hard time justifying it. It seems like the more time they have to coach or plan and the more important and broadcast the game, the worse the team plays. Slash and burn really makes a lot more sense at this point even after the emotional reaction has worn off.

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[SkapePhin]

There have been subtle clues the team is ascending this season. We were in the top 10 in the power rankings twice. The biggest indication however is the betting lines have almost always been surprising to shocking to me. As fans I think we're too close to the situation, we can't see the forest for the trees and need to rely on outside forces to ground us. When did Seahawks fans realize they became a good team? I guarantee some of them were still bashing Pete Carol and Russel Wilson well into their season last year, maybe some still are. After the Patriots game I thought that maybe we made the leap from average to good, even with the worst o-line in franchise history giving up the most sacks and was good for 6th worst in rushing yards in franchise history.

Something must be at play here--I know the reason is not Ireland, its not Sherman, Coyle and the defense isn't great, Tannehill is a good QB but he's no difference maker yet. What we've been great at is being disciplined (fewest penalty yards over the past 2 seasons) and game/clock management. I think people underestimate how much a "stupid" coach undermines a team, like Sparano calling timeouts on turnovers, not all football players are dumb as rocks, if they see their headcoach is stupid how can they respect him? I don't know if Philbin is good or just another average coach but I'm pretty sure he's not bad and I think its worth risking one more season of mediocrity to avoid the risk firing a good coach.

I'd give him one more year and anything short of 10 wins discard him and probably Tannehill along with him.

Great clock/ game management? Can you cite an example?

I recall some pretty egregious clock/game management errors in a few games, Steelers game comes to mind.

I think Philbin's best game day move was being aggressive and going for it on 4th and 5 at the end of the Patriots game instead of punting back to Brady. Other than that, I can't remember a time where I was impressed with one of his game day decisions.

 

[Lilseb93]

When I ask the question, what makes Philbin a good head coach? The #1 answer for people is because they think he did a good job with keeping the team together after Bully Gate. The other answer is because they think firing Philbin will force us into another 3-4 year rebuild. I don't get any X and O answers why. It's more of the fear of the unknown rather the results on the field. Same thing with Ireland. People still want to keep him because they fear firing him will lead to another rebuild. So again, what makes Philbin a good coach when the team is always unprepared and flat? When he can't make adjustments and gets out coached weekly? I look at the results; you don't keep a bad employee around because you fear replacing him.

 

[finfan54]

Great clock/ game management? Can you cite an example?

I recall some pretty egregious clock/game management errors in a few games, Steelers game comes to mind.

I think Philbin's best game day move was being aggressive and going for it on 4th and 5 at the end of the Patriots game instead of punting back to Brady. Other than that, I can't remember a time where I was impressed with one of his game day decisions.

He has been great on calling out on officials with the red flag. He was like undefeated until the bills game I believe. He also uses his timeouts wisely. I thought the timeout he used vs. Jets two days ago was perfect. The D was not ready in red zone.

 

[Namor]

He has good hair.....That's about all I got..LOL

 

[ojmcduffy]

I think the man did pretty well all things considering. Maybe the anemic running game and sporatic passing attack had something to do with losing 65% of his offensive line at one point. You can't expect practice squad guys to play at a probowl level consistantly. If they could they wouldn't be on the practice squad. The lack of an oline causes all kinds of problems. It causes problems for the defense because they stay on the field for 3 quarters.
Did you really expect a first time head coach to wave a magic wand and rebuild a decades worth of damage in 2 offseasons. We knew we had a huge hole at lt coming into the season, we knew we were going to have issues at te, and we knew our defense would get exposed. Those are talent issues and the fualt of our gm.

 

[roy_miami]

Great clock/ game management? Can you cite an example?

I recall some pretty egregious clock/game management errors in a few games, Steelers game comes to mind.

I think Philbin's best game day move was being aggressive and going for it on 4th and 5 at the end of the Patriots game instead of punting back to Brady. Other than that, I can't remember a time where I was impressed with one of his game day decisions.

That was more a great move by Tomlin than poor management from Philbin, sometimes you just have to tip your hat to creative plays like that. Hopefully Philbin added it to his repertoire and if you watched the Lions/Ravens game you would have noticed Harbaugh use the exact same move.

 

[SkapePhin]

That was more a great move by Tomlin than poor management from Philbin, sometimes you just have to tip your hat to creative plays like that. Hopefully Philbin added it to his repertoire and if you watched the Lions/Ravens game you would have noticed Harbaugh use the exact same move.

Which move are you referring to?

I was referring to his clock management before the half that put the Steelers in Fg range

 

[finfan54]

He got this team practicing at a high pace to get everyone on the same page.

He has most of the players in his corner.

He changed things up in practice shedule taking Thursdays off and starting later in the A.M. He was willing to change again but the players said they like this so he didnt. Shows he is liked by the players and is willing to change or not change based on his employees opinions.

He is never too high, or too low. If you look at most good coaches, they carry themselves the same way.

He listens to people and doesnt have an authoritarian attitude.

He is well respected throughout the league. If you listen to dolphin haters in the media, they still give Philbin credit for keeping this team together. You cannot deny that Martin fiasco is just plain strange for any HC to have to deal with. You can poo poo this all day as his only quality. Your full of sheet.

Philbin latched on with a QB from day one that he could believe in. This is what any successful HC would do in his first gig as HC. If you dont have a QB, you aint going nowhere.

Philbin personally got Gibson to sign here over the Jets who made him a deal but he stuck with Miami because of Philbin and his philosophy and how he would be used in this offense even though we already had two other well known WR's already here.

I could come up with a ton more but I will now point out his downfall.

He is loyal. He is loyal to Sherman and I wonder if he would ever cut out the cancer that is holding this team back.

 

[roy_miami]

Which move are you referring to?

I was referring to his clock management before the half that put the Steelers in Fg range

:confused:

We blocked their punt attempt and got into field goal range ourselves from what I remember.

 

[spiketex]

I have never met Joe Philbin but I think that he is disliked by some because he is not a colorful media personality. Every time he talks in front of a camera he is careful what he says, so he says things that are boring and give away very little. As such he is a disciple of the Belichick school of coaches who never give anything away. Never.
From what I've read he is extremely well organized and every part of the program has been analyzed carefully. He is logical, structured and disciplined and probably wants his coaching staff and players to be as well. It was not an accident or luck that the team was up near the top in the NFL in terms of giving up the fewest penalties.
When he was appointed he explained that the key to his system is education (Hey, he coached at Harvard he probably learned something). Every coach and assistant coach is effectively a teacher. This is in stark contrast to Sparano who appeared to be hopeless at developing the assembled talent. The Meathead administration did an awful job of developing assembled players like Henne, Gates, Vontae Davis, Jerry, Patrick Turner, Pat White, Merling, etc.
Joe Philbin's great strength in Green Bay was progressively developing Offensive players from the Draft, year after year. Obvious successes are Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Jermichael Finley, James Jones but there were a stack of O-linemen as well. Green Bay, like Pittsburgh and New York Giants, consistently develops talent through the Draft and they stick to that formula without excessive spending in Free Agency, which can be successful but is much higher risk. As Head Coach of the Dolphins he gets to expand his player development philosophy to the Defense as well. Another big part of the player development is limiting their playing time exposure as rookies. This is how Green Bay does it and we have to be more patient to see how our drafted prospects for 2013 go next year. In year one, the big exceptions to this were Tannehill and Martin. Tannehill was a special case because of his understanding of Sherman's system and his maturity. I'm sure that Joe wishes that we had the personnel to have kept Martin on the bench for longer given his personal implosion in the cafeteria.
It would be wrong to scrap Joe and his player development philosophy, having invested the time in making them wait and getting them hungry.
Already some progress from the year 1 drafted players eg Tannehill, Vernon, Matthews, Miller looking good. Even Egnew was sighted as making some progress. Other players like Clay, Misi, Carroll, Clemons, Odrick, Shelby, Jerry, Wilson and Daniel Thomas all appeared to make progress and made bigger contributions for the team.
After the Patriots game we were 8 - 6 and playing pretty well. Five of the games that we lost we were very competitive and could easily have been a 10 win season.
And then we went to Buffalo and the wheels just totally fell off. I don't fully understand why it unravelled so quickly. The conditions in Buffalo were bad, the Hartline injury against the Jets was very costly and Tannehill struggled without either of his go to guys (Hartline and Gibson). The fall off was shocking and unexpected.
So I would argue we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater, by firing Joe Philbin and getting a whole new system, new coaches and new players, etc when we were still on track for success 2 weeks ago.
I'm behind Joe for another year, please stand with me.