Philbin Supporters: Make Your Case

[finfan54]

He has good hair.....That's about all I got..LOL

you see, many of you have this 5th grade attitude by saying snarky crap like this. That is why I cant take any thing alot of you say with any serious consideration. This means nothing but that you like to put people down.

 

[Zounds]

He is loyal. He is loyal to Sherman and I wonder if he would ever cut out the cancer that is holding this team back.

My biggest fear. I am in favor of moving on from Philbin if he refuses to hold his coaches accountable.

 

[finfan54]

I have never met Joe Philbin but I think that he is disliked by some because he is not a colorful media personality. Every time he talks in front of a camera he is careful what he says, so he says things that are boring and give away very little. As such he is a disciple of the Belichick school of coaches who never give anything away. Never.
From what I've read he is extremely well organized and every part of the program has been analyzed carefully. He is logical, structured and disciplined and probably wants his coaching staff and players to be as well. It was not an accident or luck that the team was up near the top in the NFL in terms of giving up the fewest penalties.
When he was appointed he explained that the key to his system is education (Hey, he coached at Harvard he probably learned something). Every coach and assistant coach is effectively a teacher. This is in stark contrast to Sparano who appeared to be hopeless at developing the assembled talent. The Meathead administration did an awful job of developing assembled players like Henne, Gates, Vontae Davis, Jerry, Patrick Turner, Pat White, Merling, etc.
Joe Philbin's great strength in Green Bay was progressively developing Offensive players from the Draft, year after year. Obvious successes are Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Jermichael Finley, James Jones but there were a stack of O-linemen as well. Green Bay, like Pittsburgh and New York Giants, consistently develops talent through the Draft and they stick to that formula without excessive spending in Free Agency, which can be successful but is much higher risk. As Head Coach of the Dolphins he gets to expand his player development philosophy to the Defense as well. Another big part of the player development is limiting their playing time exposure as rookies. This is how Green Bay does it and we have to be more patient to see how our drafted prospects for 2013 go next year. In year one, the big exceptions to this were Tannehill and Martin. Tannehill was a special case because of his understanding of Sherman's system and his maturity. I'm sure that Joe wishes that we had the personnel to have kept Martin on the bench for longer given his personal implosion in the cafeteria.
It would be wrong to scrap Joe and his player development philosophy, having invested the time in making them wait and getting them hungry.
Already some progress from the year 1 drafted players eg Tannehill, Vernon, Matthews, Miller looking good. Even Egnew was sighted as making some progress. Other players like Clay, Carroll, Clemons, Odrick, Shelby, Jerry, Wilson and Daniel Thomas all appeared to make progress and made bigger contributions for the team.
After the Patriots game we were 8 - 6 and playing pretty well. Five of the games that we lost we were very competitive and could easily have been a 10 win season.
And then we went to Buffalo and the wheels just totally fell off. I don't fully understand why it unravelled so quickly. The conditions in Buffalo were bad, the Hartline injury against the Jets was very costly and Tannehill struggled without either of his go to guys (Hartline and Gibson). The fall off was shocking and unexpected.
So I would argue we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater, by firing Joe Philbin and getting a whole new system, new coaches and new players, etc when we were still on track for success 2 weeks ago.
I'm behind Joe for another year, please stand with me.

Whether anyone agrees with this or not. You cannot deny this is what reasoning is. You cant reason with "fire that guy!" too many unknowns to that concept.

 

[Dr. Phin]

He got this team practicing at a high pace to get everyone on the same page.

He has most of the players in his corner.

He changed things up in practice shedule taking Thursdays off and starting later in the A.M. He was willing to change again but the players said they like this so he didnt. Shows he is liked by the players and is willing to change or not change based on his employees opinions.

He is never too high, or too low. If you look at most good coaches, they carry themselves the same way.

He listens to people and doesnt have an authoritarian attitude.

He is well respected throughout the league. If you listen to dolphin haters in the media, they still give Philbin credit for keeping this team together. You cannot deny that Martin fiasco is just plain strange for any HC to have to deal with. You can poo poo this all day as his only quality. Your full of sheet.

Philbin latched on with a QB from day one that he could believe in. This is what any successful HC would do in his first gig as HC. If you dont have a QB, you aint going nowhere.

Philbin personally got Gibson to sign here over the Jets who made him a deal but he stuck with Miami because of Philbin and his philosophy and how he would be used in this offense even though we already had two other well known WR's already here.

I could come up with a ton more but I will now point out his downfall.

He is loyal. He is loyal to Sherman and I wonder if he would ever cut out the cancer that is holding this team back.

He has most of the players in his corner. - Very few players are going to speak out against the coach.
He changed things up in practice schedule. - Who cares?
He is never too high, or too low. - Translation...he has no passion!
He listens to people and doesnt have an authoritarian attitude. - Really? Where is the leadership council now?
He is well respected throughout the league. - Who cares? They say Ireland is respected too!
Philbin latched on with a QB from day one that he could believe in. - He grabbed one of the two highest left on the board that was coached by his OC...nothing special in that decision!
Philbin personally got Gibson - Never heard that...I'll give you that one.
He is loyal to Sherman - That is a good thing why?

Look...all this is intangible, feel-good, crap. Where is the actual items having to do with football?

 

[ProStyle]

1. After spending $100 mil in FA and having 5 picks in top 3 rounds, the talent level on the team is still not good enough. He needs better talent level support.
2. He maximized the talent drafted in 2012.
3. He brings a unique variation of WCO to the Phins which when operating well is entertaining and can win SB.
4. Stability, if better technical support, coaches and talent evaluators are brought in, he will represent stability and the team will improve.

 

[LANGER72]

Philbin is not honest with the fans, he usually gives the canned generic responses. Second, he seems aloof and stoic on the sidelines...like his brain is having difficulty processing what his eyes and ears are telling him...there is no physical or facial reaction to anything that happens on the field.
Third, he seems to have decided that his coaching career takes the back seat to his friendship with Shermin. Shermin appears to be in control and Philbin is just an agreeable puppet.
If Philbin was truly in control, he would have made some comments critical of his staff and the teams performance, instead we get the everything is hunky dory...it will all come together in due time.
I do not see the team improving, we are regressing.
This team needs to replace the GM, head coach and both OC and DC, as well as the assistants.
I also don't believe that it would set us back 2-4 years. We went from 1-15 to 11-5 in one year. Teams like KC went from door mat to division title. One year turn arounds with the right staff are actually common place now.
We are going nowhere in a hurry, and Ross treats this team as a hobby. I have no faith in him either.

 

[Dr. Phin]

1. After spending $100 mil in FA and having 5 picks in top 3 rounds, the talent level on the team is still not good enough. He needs better talent level support.
2. He maximized the talent drafted in 2012.
3. He brings a unique variation of WCO to the Phins which when operating well is entertaining and can win SB.
4. Stability, if better technical support, coaches and talent evaluators are brought in, he will represent stability and the team will improve.

What exactly do you see as "unique" in his WCO? The limited use RB's in the passing game? The almost non-use of crossing routes? Lack of play-action? No use of roll-outs? What exaclty do you see good in the WCO?

 

[finfan54]

He has most of the players in his corner. - Very few players are going to speak out against the coach.
He changed things up in practice schedule. - Who cares?
He is never too high, or too low. - Translation...he has no passion!
He listens to people and doesnt have an authoritarian attitude. - Really? Where is the leadership council now?
He is well respected throughout the league. - Who cares? They say Ireland is respected too!
Philbin latched on with a QB from day one that he could believe in. - He grabbed one of the two highest left on the board that was coached by his OC...nothing special in that decision!
Philbin personally got Gibson - Never heard that...I'll give you that one.
He is loyal to Sherman - That is a good thing why?

Look...all this is intangible, feel-good, crap. Where is the actual items having to do with football?

omg, whatever. seriously? nothing to do with football?

they asked us to defend him. You are going to have your one liner ready for anything anyone says anyways! Its the same ol same ol. Full of one liners and nothing more.

 

[ProStyle]

What exactly do you see as "unique" in his WCO? The limited use RB's in the passing game? The almost non-use of crossing routes? Lack of play-action? No use of roll-outs? What exaclty do you see good in the WCO?

That's where #4 point kicks in.

 

[Dr. Phin]

omg, whatever. seriously? nothing to do with football?

they asked us to defend him. You are going to have your one liner ready for anything anyone says anyways! Its the same ol same ol. Full of one liners and nothing more.

You get what your post warrants...

 

[finfan54]

What exactly do you see as "unique" in his WCO? The limited use RB's in the passing game? The almost non-use of crossing routes? Lack of play-action? No use of roll-outs? What exaclty do you see good in the WCO?

and this goes back to what I said about Sherman. Philbins loyalty was a downfall IMO. You treated it like I was saying it was a good thing.

The bottom line right here with the offense this year vs. last year is that we reversed alot in another direction. Sherman was given total reigns on how that offense was run. Philbin was hamstrung with the OL situation, but as he said yesterday, the analyzation starts today. If he doesnt realize that Sherman wasnt utilizing his QB correctly in key moments to win close games, then something has to happen. But until then, I like the set up as long as we get some OL and a big TE to make a change for the better like they did in Carolina.

 

[Dr. Phin]

That's where #4 point kicks in.

No, that answers why "he can't implement the offense he wants." It doesn't tell me what you see that is "unique" and why you want to continue to see it. To me, this offense has been completely boring and vanilla. I see NOTHING special about it, and does not exhibit characteristics of most WCO's.

 

[finfan54]

You get what your post warrants...

whatever Dr. Phil

 

[Namor]

you see, many of you have this 5th grade attitude by saying snarky crap like this. That is why I cant take any thing alot of you say with any serious consideration. This means nothing but that you like to put people down.

Ok..*******
How about he didn't call plays at Green Bay.He shouldn't have been hired.
His background is in offensive line play.Did you see our line this year?
I could go on and on about his negatives.
Its just easier to make a joke about this crap headcoach.
His few positives could be done by any other Ireland puppet.
So get your panties out of your crack,you ******* and enjoy a laugh
once in awhile.
Really,...what good is your ESPN analysis on this matter going to change?
But,really his hair,that circumcised penis look is ALL he has going for him.
Wait!!!I forget about his leadership skills....my bad..there isn't any.
Not one **** is given if you take me serious or not...If you don't like it,just
leave it the blank alone.
Cool?

 

[truedolfan57]

When it came to gameday, i didn't see too many faults that relied on Philbin, by himself. The biggest issues were the oline and some playcalling. Philbin wasnt perfect, but i'm willing to see how he can do with one more year. need to fix the oline, and wouldn't mind a new OC.