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Players seem to be excited by Lazor's new offense

PVR + Sunday Ticket works for me. If I didn't have a pvr I would probably just get rewind.
 
i might agree with that more if the execution in the tight red zone and red zone period wasn't so high end by the qb...we had one of the most efficient td percentage red zone offenses in football in 2013...and you have to play quickly and with instincts and make quick decisions that are more than just presnap read oriented in the tight red zone to convert tds at a high level especially when you can't run the ball in short yardage to take pressure off the qb...

look at that last td vs the jets just this last season...tannehill has to feel that free pressure player just right of center ie instincts and he has to throw with anticipation to where wallace will be before he even starts to make his initial fake to the outside before stepping forward a few paces to a perfectly placed despite immediate clean pressure in the qbs face ball for what looks like a wide open easy td...that was not an easy play to make many qbs would have eaten that ball and been sacked and never would have anticipated not only the pressure but the place where to lay that ball before the cut even...

no doubt some of that red zone efficiency is a feather in shermans cap but it's also a reflection of the qb...for a comparison take a look at chad hennes red zone efficiency numbers when he was here...we settled for fgs all over the place
Very good point. Whats more encouraging is how bad he was at a lot of those same things the year before. His redzone numbers his first year were not good and you saw a lot of flim study and improvement from him in one year. The game is slowing down for him quickly. We all knew coming out of college that he was a raw talent, not polished like a lot of the other QBs taking that year. He had very few starts as a college QB and was going to be behind a lot of other QBs who had more experience.

Ryan's first year he had no targets to throw to, and got that experience, last year he had a makeshift OL that about got him killed, but that too was valuable experience and he showed a lot of improvement. This year he has a new OC/point of view, I think down the road that too will be a valuable tool. By year 4 or 5 I think he will have put it all together and we might have another Arron Rodgers, or at least that is the hope.

I am not looking for a finished product from him. even this year. What I want to see if a continued passionate work ethic, and steady improvement.
 
Ah a Penny fanboy makes an appearance.

How you guys love to gloss over Pennys last 3 games.

Is that how you read it? Looks more like he's pointing out that Henning managed to succeed with subpar talent on offense, though no doubt Pennington was better than Henne.
 
From everything I hear about the offense is that the offense will be built more on mismatches rather than timing. I'm not exactly a fan of Sherman, but the biggest issue to me was that Sherman became way too predictable in playcalling. That's not to say we need a bunch of gimmick plays, or even talking about the Go/GoGo, but we didn't really move guys around a lot (outside of Clay, and that took him awhile to do) and there weren't many wrinkles.

You can argue that the OL and run game held him back, but I think that there were just some philosophies that Sherman couldn't/wouldn't adapt to.
 
From everything I hear about the offense is that the offense will be built more on mismatches rather than timing. I'm not exactly a fan of Sherman, but the biggest issue to me was that Sherman became way too predictable in playcalling. That's not to say we need a bunch of gimmick plays, or even talking about the Go/GoGo, but we didn't really move guys around a lot (outside of Clay, and that took him awhile to do) and there weren't many wrinkles.

You can argue that the OL and run game held him back, but I think that there were just some philosophies that Sherman couldn't/wouldn't adapt to.

Some of the things Mike Sherman did last year were just bizarre and although I don't think Sherman is as bad as some have made him out to be, he certainly wasn't a positive on last year's team.

He had his moments, but his third and short playcalling was the worst garbage I have ever seen.
 
“It’s reminiscent of Chip Kelly’s offense in Philadelphia, with the tempo and style,” said one Dolphins player who asked not to be named.
Kelly uses a spread offense, and the player said the spread is an important part of this Dolphins attack, but there is more to this offense than that.
“There are some West Coast offense concepts,” the player said. “Some shotgun, some under center. They’ve discussed having both no huddle and huddle. It’s fast tempo.”
There’s no natural fullback, though there is a role for an H-back and multiple tight end sets, the player said.
Other Dolphins players have mentioned similarities between their offense and the Eagles’, though –-- as Joe Philbin has noted --– “we’re going to have a variety of formations.”



If I can remember correctly, Philbin was saying this when he was hired, he ran the quick offense for about a half against the Pats that first game and I haven't seen it since....first you must have the personnel to run it, then you have to be committed to running it even when things don't go well.....

I'll withhold my judgement until I see it on game day......
 
Some of the things Mike Sherman did last year were just bizarre and although I don't think Sherman is as bad as some have made him out to be, he certainly wasn't a positive on last year's team.

He had his moments, but his third and short playcalling was the worst garbage I have ever seen.

Third and short was an issue for sure, and I think he was way to quick to give up the run both years he was with us. I'll claim that I was guilty of putting too much blame on him at times, but his stubbornness and the fact that he alienated offensive players by throwing them under the bus meant he had to go.
 
Third and short was an issue for sure, and I think he was way to quick to give up the run both years he was with us. I'll claim that I was guilty of putting too much blame on him at times, but his stubbornness and the fact that he alienated offensive players by throwing them under the bus meant he had to go.

This is a good point, he was a gaffe machine and I'm sure Philbin gave more than a few face palms at Sherman's pressers. Like one time talking about sacks he said a lot were on him especially early in the game when he didn't let Tannehill change the plays. Really Sherm? Maybe you shouldn't make it public knowledge that the QB isn't allowed to make adjustments on the opening drive...
 
I actually agree. I wish they would break the Sunday ticket down by division. That way you could just order your team's division.

Just wait til Roger Gotohell ups Direct TV's NFL ticket contract by 50% ($500,000,000 to the expiring 1 billion dollar current deal). With the NFL realizing they are not satisfying fans with the stadium experience and deciding more often to stay home, we (the fans) will be paying a pretty penny to enjoy it from our couch.
 
This is a good point, he was a gaffe machine and I'm sure Philbin gave more than a few face palms at Sherman's pressers. Like one time talking about sacks he said a lot were on him especially early in the game when he didn't let Tannehill change the plays. Really Sherm? Maybe you shouldn't make it public knowledge that the QB isn't allowed to make adjustments on the opening drive...

There were those, but there were also when he got questioned about a certain call and would say "nothing wrong with the call I made, so and so did this wrong". Was that true? sure in some cases, but you don't throw players under the bus. There were also a lot of times when he'd defend a playcall he made, and I could never comprehend the reasoning for why he thought that call was a good idea.

Lost in the BullyGate Scandal last year was how around the same time there was a lot of tension between the starters and Sherman. A lot of talk about how they hated how he treated them, how they hated his playcalling, ect.

And again, there's no promise that Bill Lazor will be a good OC let alone a great one. But there's plenty of reason to feel he could be (years of NFL experience in multiple systems, decent track record as a QB coach, some OC experience, young). I just think that there were some adjustments both coaching and personality wise Mike Sherman couldn't/wouldn't make and it ultimately cost him.

And to be fair, there are similar criticisms I have for Joe Philbin going into this year (and I like Philbin)
 
Lost in the BullyGate Scandal last year was how around the same time there was a lot of tension between the starters and Sherman. A lot of talk about how they hated how he treated them, how they hated his playcalling, ect.

Yup. Remember when the Offensive Line borderline mutinied (just before Bullygate) over the lack of run calls? And then Sherman responded like a petulant child, just calling nothing but runs up the gut for a few series? Can't remember which game that was, sadly. Maybe the Bengals game?

Or when he kept being asked why they never ran a sneak, and then finally he called ONE QB sneak and... guess what, IT WORKED. Better not do that again!
 
I think sunday ticket is still a horrible value. I much prefer nfl rewind so i can watch games all thorugh week.

IDK about that when it comes to NFL rewind, something about watching games you already know the outcome kinda takes away that exhilaration you get watching it live....the ticket maybe over priced, still can't beat the control you have on a Sunday afternoon.....

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I don't blame Sherman the way a lot people seem to want to. Every time an older coach has a bad offense or defense they want to say he's outdated and put the blame on him.

Besides the fact our oline was ranked among the worst in pass block and run block, no one on offense was really that good last year. Wallace couldn't catch, miller couldn't break tackles, hartline can't make a play for his life, Gibson got injured at a time when he was on fire...

Really, the players just weren't good.

I remember when everyone blames Henning for his offense. The same Henning that went into the playoffs with Chad Pennington, davone bess, Camarillo, and ginn as his offensive core. Henning never sucked, if anyone sucked it was Henne.

Agree, and I also think Sherman was an excellent play caller in the red zone. Lets hope this continues under the new OC.....
 
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