Poll: Will You Be Rooting For Chad Henne To Succeed Or Fail?

[Klenton66]

What home field advantage? The only home field advantage goes to the visiting team at Dolphin Stadium. I want Henne to go to the pro-bowl, but there's not a probowl for blown games and interceptions. Until Henne has 1, just one come from behind win, it will be very difficult for me not to cringe each time he takes the field. I'm sure he is a good guy, I'm sure he's trying, I hope he makes it, but if he doesn't, and he stinks it up, I don't have any faith that Sparano will replace him. That is what scares me and many other dolphin fans I have spoke with. IT reminds me of the comedian that was an alcoholic, lost his house, his wife, and his kids, but what the heck, he said he would give alcohol just one more chance.

 

[erralyn]

Well I will give props to those who actually knew they'd be noted as not pulling for Henne under center. They've got more backbone than some of the deflectors with their manufactured outrage about the restrictions and biases of this poll. Without naming names I noticed that several of Henne's most strident and sometimes abusive detractors actually did vote and voted "team comes first." I purposely designed it with no wiggle room because as far as I'm concerned if you're not rooting for the starting player in the most pivotal roles to succeed - be it under center or lining up wherever on either side of the LOS, you are NOT rooting for the Fins to win and while you may be a fan in your own mind with all sorts of rationalizations, in mine and many others you're either fairweather or a superficial one.

Now I see there've been some "thanks" along the way from an individual who was the first to piz, moan and complain about this poll because they couldn't wiggle out of supporting Henne if he's starting while still supporting the team. They never did vote, although I noticed that that individual had no such hesitancy voting in the "Will Henne Succeed Poll". As such unless that person does vote before I screen capture and sum up these results for posterity (yes I said that), I will either photoshop text in an asterisk and put that name (and several other non-voters whose criticisms and complaints made it clear they were deflecting) under option 4 or 6 .. or maybe add another category - one I didn't anticipate called "Deflected from voting rather than supporting our starting QB under any conditions." That about sums it up, wouldn't you say bro? Just a heads up. :idk:

While I do love these non-anonymous polls I also suspect that if this one was anonymous there'd be at least double the number that cast their votes for options 4-6. (incidentally I believe one of those who voted in these options is a jestroll but I could be mistaken)

So what you're saying is that you're so sure you're right and that you have summarized the only allowable opinions of Dolphins fans that you will manipulate evidence? I didn't vote in your poll and I won't until you give an option that sums up my opinion on the situation, which is as follows: "Henne sucks regardless of what I think. I'll root for him even while I know he'll screw our season over, but I'll be overjoyed when he's replaced." A bit long winded for a poll answer, but opinions can be more than simplistic.

I'm a fan. I make no claims to being a superfan and I'll deny being a bad or fair weather fan. I'm just a fan, who in fact has spent years taking abuse from liking the Dolphins. Because I'm a fan, I always want the Dolphins to do well.

I also have a logic center to my brain. I make no claims to it being the best logic center out there, but it's there. That logic center tells me that Henne sucks and he'll never be more than average, and furthermore that he's what's holding this team back (along with the rest of the regime).

It's a false dichotomy to say that I can't have both of these factors going at the same time. That's why I see no selectable options in your poll.

 

[Vaark]

So what you're saying is that you're so sure you're right and that you have summarized the only allowable opinions of Dolphins fans that you will manipulate evidence? I didn't vote in your poll and I won't until you give an option that sums up my opinion on the situation, which is as follows: "Henne sucks regardless of what I think. I'll root for him even while I know he'll screw our season over, but I'll be overjoyed when he's replaced." A bit long winded for a poll answer, but opinions can be more than simplistic.

I'm a fan. I make no claims to being a superfan and I'll deny being a bad or fair weather fan. I'm just a fan, who in fact has spent years taking abuse from liking the Dolphins. Because I'm a fan, I always want the Dolphins to do well.

I also have a logic center to my brain. I make no claims to it being the best logic center out there, but it's there. That logic center tells me that Henne sucks and he'll never be more than average, and furthermore that he's what's holding this team back (along with the rest of the regime).

It's a false dichotomy to say that I can't have both of these factors going at the same time. That's why I see no selectable options in your poll.

Honestly, cutting to the quick, I don't understand the conundrum. There are plenty of regular and vote threads to articulate even your severest displeasure with Henne. As a matter of fact you could elaborate on it right here over the last 3 pages of the poll thread as many others have articulately done. What it sounds like you're saying is that you are a legitimate fan who wants the Fins to win, but not Henne to succeed if he's under center since you think any short term success is illusionary. That's okay but still unrealistic so it's not a selection. As the QB goes, so goes the team; thus we revert back into the original premise: while you a)may not want Henne to be under center, b) don't think Henne deserves to be under center and/or c) don't think it's in your team's best interest to have him under center, etc., the question still strips down to: "while or if he is under center - are you rooting for him to do well since it means the team most likely also will?"

Because that's a simple premise (which IMO separates the degrees of genuine "fandom"), there is no wiggle room for "well I root for the team first and want them to win, but want Henne to stumble along the way so we can get him the hell out of here cause I hate him" choice. That's unrealistic: when Henne doesn't do well, the probability is that the team will not either.

Have you voted in a political election ever? Is there a place on the ballott where you can express: "Well, I personally don't like the candidate but I'm fully invested in the more important political party core values and beliefs he/she is representing, so that's the only reason I'm casting this vote?" On written state multiple choice drivers test questions regarding the blood alcohol limit for driving drunk, is there an option expressing "well the limit is 0.5% but I think that's too low and unrealistic for most people who drink responsibly?".. "or too high because I hate drunken drivers" ? Hell, even in other polls on FH, there are flat out "yes" and "no" option choices only.

The poll question is rudimentary: "will you root for Henne when he's under center if he's wearing your team colors?" Sorry, when it comes to intent I see no "dichotomy" especially since there is an option #6 available: "no my disdain for the player transcends my hope for the team's success with him starting for them." Even some of his harshest critics have voted that they'd put the team first and root for Henne out of necessity, not any love or respect for him. It's a simple concept, really :idk:

 

[erralyn]

Honestly, cutting to the quick, I don't understand the conundrum. There are plenty of regular and vote threads to articulate even your severest displeasure with Henne. As a matter of fact you could elaborate on it right here over the last 3 pages of the poll thread as many others have articulately done. What it sounds like you're saying is that you are a legitimate fan who wants the Fins to win, but not Henne to succeed if he's under center since you think any short term success is illusionary. That's okay but still unrealistic so it's not a selection. As the QB goes, so goes the team; thus we revert back into the original premise: while you a)may not want Henne to be under center, b) don't think Henne deserves to be under center and/or c) don't think it's in your team's best interest to have him under center, etc., the question still strips down to: "while or if he is under center - are you rooting for him to do well since it means the team most likely also will?"

Because that's a simple premise (which IMO separates the degrees of genuine "fandom"), there is no wiggle room for "well I root for the team first and want them to win, but want Henne to stumble along the way so we can get him the hell out of here cause I hate him" choice. That's unrealistic: when Henne doesn't do well, the probability is that the team will not either.

Have you voted in a political election ever? Is there a place on the ballott where you can express: "Well, I personally don't like the candidate but I'm fully invested in the more important political party core values and beliefs he/she is representing, so that's the only reason I'm casting this vote?" On written state multiple choice drivers test questions regarding the blood alcohol limit for driving drunk, is there an option expressing "well the limit is 0.5% but I think that's too low and unrealistic for most people who drink responsibly?".. "or too high because I hate drunken drivers" ? Hell, even in other polls on FH, there are flat out "yes" and "no" option choices only.

The poll question is rudimentary: "will you root for Henne when he's under center if he's wearing your team colors?" Sorry, when it comes to intent I see no "dichotomy" especially since there is an option #6 available: "no my disdain for the player transcends my hope for the team's success with him starting for them." Even some of his harshest critics have voted that they'd put the team first and root for Henne out of necessity, not any love or respect for him. It's a simple concept, really :idk:

My support for a candidate by way of voting directly impacts whether or not they will win the election (excepting factors like voter fraud, electoral college, etc). I don't believe that my having goodwill towards Chad Henne (or not serenading him with boos when he ends the game by throwing a short out pass when we needed a TD to win the game) will cause him to stop being an interception throwing robot. Nothing can do that.

I am very familiar with the concept of holding my nose when voting for a candidate who is the most aligned with my political preferences. I don't do this for the candidates sake. I do it because there's an almost infintessimal chance that they'll do what I want when they get into office.

I reject this poll because my desire to see the Dolphins win a championship cannot be fulfilled with Chad Henne as the QB (barring a massive 30 plane collision involving every NFL team save the Dolphins and..oh....the Bengals? Maybe).

 

[Vaark]

My support for a candidate by way of voting directly impacts whether or not they will win the election (excepting factors like voter fraud, electoral college, etc). I don't believe that my having goodwill towards Chad Henne (or not serenading him with boos when he ends the game by throwing a short out pass when we needed a TD to win the game) will cause him to stop being an interception throwing robot. Nothing can do that.

I am very familiar with the concept of holding my nose when voting for a candidate who is the most aligned with my political preferences. I don't do this for the candidates sake. I do it because there's an almost infintessimal chance that they'll do what I want when they get into office.

I reject this poll because my desire to see the Dolphins win a championship cannot be fulfilled with Chad Henne as the QB (barring a massive 30 plane collision involving every NFL team save the Dolphins and..oh....the Bengals? Maybe).

fair enough, but I reject your rejection because if you're not with us then you're against us

However, I am giving you a green rep for your honesty although I've apparently failed at least with you to demonstrate how red hot emotionalism (whether justified or not) can obfuscate the reality of just what constitutes the greater good. But you're a good poster and don't deserve the reds you've gotten (at least thru now) :up:

 

[erralyn]

fair enough, but I reject your rejection because if you're not with us then you're against us

However, I am giving you a green rep for your honesty although I've apparently failed at least with you to demonstrate how red hot emotionalism (whether justified or not) can obfuscate the reality of just what constitutes the greater good. But you're a good poster and don't deserve the reds you've gotten (at least thru now) :up:

And thanks for being civil! You might be surprised on what subjects we agree upon. Imagine how shocked I was to discover (in a recent thread we've probably both seen) that I and Nublar both remember Jay Fiedler fondly. I was one of that guy's biggest supporters. On the other hand, that was before I turned to the darkside of Dolphin's fandom. My descent to that darkside which began, if I were to name an exact incident for it, with the drafting of Eddie Moore.

...ugh! One good thing I can say about Chad Henne - he hasn't yet gotten beaten up in a bar fight.

 

[DolfanISS]

I’d have to say that anyone wanting Chad Henne to fail is an idiot. I mean we all know this regime isn’t crazy about him as it is. He is also a free agent after 2011 season which pretty much tells me even if he’s somewhere between bad and pretty good he’s gone after the season. Unless he comes in and lights it up I’d say we have a new QB in 2012 and if he does light it up we are probably a playoff team with a shot at the SB which is a win win. Even if that happens there is still a chance we don’t retain Henne but probably would. I guess what I’m saying is there is really no good reason to root for him to fail. It’s not like the guy is signed for the next 5 years and the regime who’s been dying to replace him is going to keep going to him if he sucks. It’s also highly unlikely a new regime resigns him and rolls into 2012 with him. Basically rooting for Henne to fail makes so sense unless you have said he would here and just want to be right about what you post on a silly message board.

 

[Wildbill3]

Funny. The poll I created gets moved to spam, yet this poll remains in the main dolphins thread.

Gotta love these a$$hole moderators and when they play favorites.

so you don't want us playing favorites? well you'll notice the video in your sig is gone too.

 

[Tunaphish429]

Succeed as he goes the dolphins go. He needs to play better for us to win.

 

[DphinBillkiller]

I root for all the Dolphin players to succeed!

 

[JCane]

so you don't want us playing favorites? well you'll notice the video in your sig is gone too.

Can't believe Dave called me an *******.

 

[Vaark]

Can't believe Dave called me an *******.

outrageous!

 

[dlockz]

hell I cheer for sparano to succeed and I think he is a very bad coach. If we dont make playoffs or are a .500 team or worse i will also cheer for us to send him back to coordinator or line coach permanently

 

[MelbournePhin]

this thread is a ****ing joke

 

[Mogwai]

My immediate thought is that I always root for Dolphins players to do well even if I think they suck. But then I remembered that there was a time when I probably rooted for Fiedler to bomb out because he was so deeply jammed into Wanny's jock and we had such a ceiling of mediocrity with him as QB that I was desperate to be rid of him. For the most part I just can't root against players on my team. But unfortunately this is a league of such gutlessness by the higher ups that it takes abject failure to force a change. So I can see someone sacrificing their fandom of one player for the good of the team.