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Dudeman said:
but those stats were certainly good enough for you to say that he has shown a "feel" for the game :rolleyes:
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No, watching him play every one of those games, over and over again was good enough for me to say he showed some good things including feel for the game.

Of course, I didn't expect to be blown away by a 5th round draft pick in his second year, so I was pleasantly surprised with what I did see. Sorry you can't "see" that in the stats.
 
A.J. Feeley has never displayed touch or feel or managed good stats in the most relevant categories. Again, it's not like he materialized out of a genie's bottle last season. Anyone (other than Rick Spielman) who watched Feeley at Philly and Oregon noticed a remarkable tendency to bird dog and throw line drives, even when a completely different type of pass was called for. I posted that on several sites the day we traded for him. Absolutely nothing changed in a Dolphin uniform.

The posters who are rooting for Feeley based on long term aspects and sacrificing a #2 for him are embracing a strategy that is generally correct, but in this particular case is 100% mistaken. Feeley has basic limitations that severely regulate his upside and lead to a disgraceful number like 5.32 yards per attempt last season. The last thing we want is a tease season, one with a marked improvement in yards per attempt and interception percentage but still not top notch. That would delay seeking the QB of the future. The best scenario by far is Frerotte to win the job and deliver a workmanlike season or two, allowing us to grow as a team while attracting top free agents who understand we're very close. In the meantime you pursue and begin to groom a young QB, someone who has the basic goods and not a severely flawed QB like Rick Spielman predictably preferred.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
A.J. Feeley has never displayed touch or feel or managed good stats in the most relevant categories. Again, it's not like he materialized out of a genie's bottle last season. Anyone (other than Rick Spielman) who watched Feeley at Philly and Oregon noticed a remarkable tendency to bird dog and throw line drives, even when a completely different type of pass was called for. I posted that on several sites the day we traded for him. Absolutely nothing changed in a Dolphin uniform.

The posters who are rooting for Feeley based on long term aspects and sacrificing a #2 for him are embracing a strategy that is generally correct, but in this particular case is 100% mistaken. Feeley has basic limitations that severely regulate his upside and lead to a disgraceful number like 5.32 yards per attempt last season. The last thing we want is a tease season, one with a marked improvement in yards per attempt and interception percentage but still not top notch. That would delay seeking the QB of the future. The best scenario by far is Frerotte to win the job and deliver a workmanlike season or two, allowing us to grow as a team while attracting top free agents who understand we're very close. In the meantime you pursue and begin to groom a young QB, someone who has the basic goods and not a severely flawed QB like Rick Spielman predictably preferred.
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Feeley has a marked tendency to throw line drives. He doesn't seem to be able to take some heat off the ball. If he wins the job and he shows improvement everywhere except this obvious flaw in his game, I think the people running this team are smart enough to draft another QB next year.
 
Of course Manning wouldn't have thrown 49 TDs behind our line. But he would have done leaps and bounds better than Feeley. There's your answer. We all KNOW our o line was a problem. But I also bet MOST of you AJ supporters are also the ones saying that our line improved last year when Bates took over. Remember, you can't have it both ways.
Yes, I was upset at what we gave for Feeley. I would have been upset if we had given a 3rd. But that has nothing to do with the guy lacking the talent that it takes to play in the NFL - other than a backup.
I have a question for all you AJ supporters: Can you POSSIBLY say with a straight face - and MEAN IT- that you think Feeley can lead the Dolphins deep into the playoffs and eventually a Super Bowl? Let's be real now people.
Feeley may not suck as bad as he looked last year, but he also isn't the long term answer for this team. That is what I believe. Everyone else is free to believe what they want.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
A.J. Feeley has never displayed touch or feel or managed good stats in the most relevant categories. Again, it's not like he materialized out of a genie's bottle last season. Anyone (other than Rick Spielman) who watched Feeley at Philly and Oregon noticed a remarkable tendency to bird dog and throw line drives, even when a completely different type of pass was called for. I posted that on several sites the day we traded for him. Absolutely nothing changed in a Dolphin uniform.

The posters who are rooting for Feeley based on long term aspects and sacrificing a #2 for him are embracing a strategy that is generally correct, but in this particular case is 100% mistaken. Feeley has basic limitations that severely regulate his upside and lead to a disgraceful number like 5.32 yards per attempt last season. The last thing we want is a tease season, one with a marked improvement in yards per attempt and interception percentage but still not top notch. That would delay seeking the QB of the future. The best scenario by far is Frerotte to win the job and deliver a workmanlike season or two, allowing us to grow as a team while attracting top free agents who understand we're very close. In the meantime you pursue and begin to groom a young QB, someone who has the basic goods and not a severely flawed QB like Rick Spielman predictably preferred.
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Great post. I agree. I have posted something very similar to this more than once.
 
inFINSible said:
Second year player, 1st time starting....get real.
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Feeley isn't a 2nd year player. He'll be coming into his 5th. He should have plenty of "feel" for the game by now. If he doesn't have it yet, chances are, he isn't going to get it.
 
SCall13 said:
Feeley isn't a 2nd year player. He'll be coming into his 5th.He should have plenty of "feel" for the game by now. If he doesn't have it yet, chances are, he isn't going to get it.
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Try reading the thread before you "correct" somebody.
 
josephreese said:
I wonder what Rick saw in AJ to warrant giving up a 2nd-round draft pick for him. Bad OL or not, what we've seen so far isn't worth a 2nd-round pick. I sure hope that this year we all see what Speilman saw.
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4-1 as a starter with a good surrounding cast in Philly. And he has a great arm. Consider this quote from Linehan:
"He's certainly got some exceptional talent as far as throwing the ball," Linehan said.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2087829

People pick and choose what they want to hear. Everyone around here raves about how good Linehan is. Well, he thinks Feeley's throwing talents are "exceptional," but people choose to ignore that and continue to dump on Feeley. The guy deserves a shot with a better system and better surrounding talent.
 
MDFINFAN said:
I've read this board on QB play last year for many threats now..

1. We seem to all agree that OL play was terrible, heck even the OL agrees on that.

2. We all agree that we had no running game...and the stats, that I hate, bares that out..we were 31st..

3. We all agree that the QB's had less than 2 seconds once they planted their foot to throw...that's bared out by the fact that both starting QB's were knocked out for parts of the season with injuries. Our 3rd QB started the last game of the year it was so bad.

Now, my question, if it was that bad and we agree, what did you guys who bash AJ, and say no excuses for him and all that...really expect him to do behind that OL...Better question, what do you guys think P. Manning would have done? Can you guys answer both those questions for me? Thanks in advance...Remember, keep this to what those QBs could do behind last years OL, I already know what you think of AJ, so I'm not interested in that kind of answer...Bonus question, would P. Manning have thrown 49 TD's behind last year's Miami OL?
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I've been saying the same thing for months. People who actually know the game agree. Those who are anti Feeley/Speilman/Wanny disagree. As much as I agree with you, speaking from experience, your not going to change anyones mind here. Almost everyone has their mind made up about AJ and the only thing that will change it is stellar play.
 
inFINSible said:
Try reading the thread before you "correct" somebody.
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My Mistake.

But it doesn't change my opinion about his lack of feel for the game. He can't read a defense and he only knows how to throw bullets. That's why he was picked off by LBs alot and a defensive lineman. He has no touch on his passes and he locks on to his recievers. That is just a few of his flaws. He certainly has a lot of them. He has alot to learn and overcome to be the starter for this team.

Had we given a 5th, or even 4th round pick for him, with the intentions of trying to groom him, it would have been one thing. But to give up a 2nd with the intention of him starting is crazy. He wasn't and he still isn't ready to start in the NFL. Did last year's team hurt his development. Sure it did. But how good was/is he going to be anyway? He isn't getting any younger. SO do we waste 3 more years on a QB that has shown so little - only to have to change QBs again when the team may be at it's peak at all other positions. Pretty scary proposition if you ask me. AJ has MUCH to prove THIS year or he is a goner. I'm sure we all agree on that. RIGHT?
 
dolfanmark said:
4-1 as a starter with a good surrounding cast in Philly. And he has a great arm. Consider this quote from Linehan:
"He's certainly got some exceptional talent as far as throwing the ball," Linehan said.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2087829

People pick and choose what they want to hear. Everyone around here raves about how good Linehan is. Well, he thinks Feeley's throwing talents are "exceptional," but people choose to ignore that and continue to dump on Feeley. The guy deserves a shot with a better system and better surrounding talent.
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He's getting his shot in training camp. After that, he'll be a backup holding Gus' clipboard. :D
 
SCall13 said:
My Mistake.

But it doesn't change my opinion about his lack of feel for the game. He can't read a defense and he only knows how to throw bullets. That's why he was picked off by LBs alot and a defensive lineman. He has no touch on his passes and he locks on to his recievers. That is just a few of his flaws. He certainly has a lot of them. He has alot to learn and overcome to be the starter for this team.

Had we given a 5th, or even 4th round pick for him, with the intentions of trying to groom him, it would have been one thing. But to give up a 2nd with the intention of him starting is crazy. He wasn't and he still isn't ready to start in the NFL. Did last year's team hurt his development. Sure it did. But how good was/is he going to be anyway? He isn't getting any younger. SO do we waste 3 more years on a QB that has shown so little - only to have to change QBs again when the team may be at it's peak at all other positions. Pretty scary proposition if you ask me. AJ has MUCH to prove THIS year or he is a goner. I'm sure we all agree on that. RIGHT?
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Do we??
SCall13 said:
He's getting his shot in training camp. After that, he'll be a backup holding Gus' clipboard.
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dolfanmark said:
4-1 as a starter with a good surrounding cast in Philly. And he has a great arm. Consider this quote from Linehan:
"He's certainly got some exceptional talent as far as throwing the ball," Linehan said.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2087829

People pick and choose what they want to hear. Everyone around here raves about how good Linehan is. Well, he thinks Feeley's throwing talents are "exceptional," but people choose to ignore that and continue to dump on Feeley. The guy deserves a shot with a better system and better surrounding talent.
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and you Feeley supporters are ignoring the fact that Linehan WOULD NEVER dump on a QB ruining his confidence before a training camp battle.

Everybody knows AJ has a strong arm.....so what? so do Sage and Gus....we have 3 strong-armed QBs, 2 of which are damn near statues


and another thing, nobody has said he won't get a shot....well, maybe one, and he hails from the 49th state....but thats besides the point

I honestly wonder if there's going to be a mass cult-like suicide if Gus starts. It absolutely baffles the mind that so many on here are AJ or bust, and so unwilling to see Gus start if he proves to be the better QB
 
Infins....

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Originally Posted by SCall13
My Mistake.

But it doesn't change my opinion about his lack of feel for the game. He can't read a defense and he only knows how to throw bullets. That's why he was picked off by LBs alot and a defensive lineman. He has no touch on his passes and he locks on to his recievers. That is just a few of his flaws. He certainly has a lot of them. He has alot to learn and overcome to be the starter for this team.

Had we given a 5th, or even 4th round pick for him, with the intentions of trying to groom him, it would have been one thing. But to give up a 2nd with the intention of him starting is crazy. He wasn't and he still isn't ready to start in the NFL. Did last year's team hurt his development. Sure it did. But how good was/is he going to be anyway? He isn't getting any younger. SO do we waste 3 more years on a QB that has shown so little - only to have to change QBs again when the team may be at it's peak at all other positions. Pretty scary proposition if you ask me. AJ has MUCH to prove THIS year or he is a goner. I'm sure we all agree on that. RIGHT?


Do we??

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Originally Posted by SCall13
He's getting his shot in training camp. After that, he'll be a backup holding Gus' clipboard.


I was thinking the exact same thing. Great minds...
 
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