The issue is whats proven I think. Whats proven so far for Ramsey is that in 612 dropbacks Ramsey has gotten dropped for a sack about once every 13 dropbacks.
Those numbers are very reminiscent of Rob Johnson I agree. BUT (and I'm surprised nobody bothered to actually look this up), they are nowhere near as bad as Rob Johnson. Lets get that down right now. In fact, Rob Johnson gets sacked TWICE as much as Ramsey. Johnson for his career gets sacked about once every 6 or 7 dropbacks.
Below is a list of quarterbacks, sorted by how many times statistically they drop back to pass before getting sacked. I tally the dropbacks by adding pass attempts and sacks.
Instead of posting the exact decimals I'll say between what number dropbacks, but i'll put a * next to the number thats closest to the decimal.
In other words Joe Schmoka had 5000 pass attempts and has been sacked 600 times. Of 5600 dropbacks, he gets sacked 600 times...or in other words between every 9 and 10 drops (actual number 9.33)
Joe Schmoka.......................................between 9* and 10 drops
Means Joe Schmoka takes a sack between every 9 and 10 drops (closer to 9 than 10).
Get it? OK good.
Player.....................................................Dropbacks
Rob Johnson............................................between 6 and 7* drops
Chad Hutchinson.....................................between 8* and 9 drops
David Carr...............................................between 9* and 10 drops
Charlie Batch...........................................between 10* and 11 drops
Mike Vick.................................................between 10 and 11* drops
Rodney Peete.........................................between 10 and 11* drops
Tim Couch...............................................between 11* and 12 drops
Drew Bledsoe (2002 + 2003)..................between 11* and 12 drops
Chris Chandler........................................between 11 and 12* drops
Mark Brunell............................................between 11 and 12* drops
Donovan McNabb....................................between 12 and 13* drops
Patrick Ramsey........................................between 12 and 13* drops
Shaun King..............................................between 12 and 13* drops
Matt Hasselbeck......................................between 12 and 13* drops
Daunte Culpepper...................................between 13* and 14 drops
Trent Dilfer...............................................between 13* and 14 drops
Neil O'Donnell..........................................between 13* and 14 drops
Jeff Blake.................................................every 14 drops
Kyle Boller...............................................between 14* and 15 drops
Aaron Brooks..........................................between 14* and 15 drops
Quincy Carter..........................................between 14* and 15 drops
Kelly Holcombe........................................between 14* and 15 drops
Jake Plummer..........................................between 14* and 15 drops
Tommy Maddox.......................................between 14 and 15* drops
Rich Gannon............................................between 14 and 15* drops
Kordell Stewart.......................................between 14 and 15* drops
Brian Griese............................................between 15* and 16 drops
Trent Green.............................................between 15* and 16 drops
Chad Pennington....................................between 15 and 16* drops
Kurt Warner............................................between 15 and 16* drops
Tom Brady...............................................between 15 and 16* drops
Gus Frerotte............................................between 16* and 17 drops
Marc Bulger.............................................between 16* and 17 drops
Drew Bledsoe (career)............................between 16* and 17 drops
Steve McNair...........................................between 17* and 18 drops
Jon Kitna.................................................between 17* and 18 drops
Vinny Testeverde....................................between 17* and 18 drops
Jay Fiedler...............................................every 18 drops
Kerry Collins............................................between 18* and 19 drops
Brett Favre..............................................between 18 and 19* drops
Chris Weinke..........................................every 19 drops
Brad Johnson..........................................between 19 and 20* drops
Jake Delhomme.......................................between 19 and 20* drops
Drew Brees.............................................between 20* and 21 drops
Doug Flutie.............................................every 21 drops
Byron Leftwich........................................every 23 drops
Jeff Garcia...............................................between 24* and 25 drops
Peyton Manning......................................between 27 and 28* drops
Joey Harrington.......................................between 58* and 59 drops :egads:
This gets its own thread I think. Too good to pass up.
Basically I agree with fin-atic though, I don't think we necessarily should give our #20 pick in the draft for Ramsey. The sack thing is not necessarily the problem though. Is it a concern? Yeah, because in college he was known as a guy that was too tough for his own good sometimes then too. But, then again, will his sack percentage get better when he gets to a real NFL offense that will actually try and protect him? I truly believe it will.
His propensity to take sacks IMO is far overblown by the way he took them in Washington, showing such guts and determination even mired in that stupidly simple and yet demanding offense of Spurrier's. Everyone knew he was getting killed out there and thats why attention is drawn to his sack count even though so far in his career its been way better than guys he is being compared to (Rob Johnson).
What concerns me about Ramsey is that a lot of his throws were labeled "poor throws" by STATS Inc...that and his completion percentage. But once again, he was only in his second year, he was playing with a broken foot a lot of the time, he was getting killed physically by Spurrier's unwillingness to protect him, and the offense itself made him responsible for numerous checkdowns without being very creative in those routes to get guys open.
What impresses me about Ramsey is that despite the problems he was facing in Washington...despite the fact that for all intents and purposes he had a BAD YEAR, the guy still took care of the football. In 30 sacks he only fumbled it 7 times which is better than say, Tom Brady, and he only threw 9 interceptions compared with 14 TDs. He did that while the pressure was completely on him to be the playmaker of the offense. They weren't a running team, the running game was an afterthought for the Redskins...something that derives solely from the ability to pass it all over the field. Ramsey faced blitzes of the most heinous in nature because of Spurrier's lack of protection schemes, and he stood in there and TOOK CARE OF THE FOOTBALL relatively speaking.
Going to an offense where the run comes first and the pressure is off him I naturally expect his sacks to go down. But what he needs to work on is becoming an ACCURATE quarterback, and you know thats not somethin that a guy necessarily does in his first or second year.