JamesWsenior
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Ramsey Question?
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Ray R
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What is your factual basis for this post?
"You’re 100% flat out wrong" is not supported by any facts that you have presented, so it's just an opinion.
"The Ramsey extension is 10000000000% on Chris Grier and literally not the guy not involved in actual football strategy" is not supported by any facts that you have presented, so it's just an opinion, and a poorly written and hyperbolically overstated opinion using "10 to the tenth %" blame. Let me see your calculation and the facts that support it.
What is your basis that there are other incorrect opinions on this forum, other than your own opinion?
Spk Engrish?
Opinions or presumptions are not the same thing as facts. If you can't support your argument with facts, then you really have no argument - just a complaint.
Yep. Brandon Shore doesn’t report to Chris Grier. Brandon Shore handles contracts and the cap. Of course Grier has to tell Shore what players he wants to keep or let go or trade for, etc. Then it’s up to Shore to negotiate, re-work, extend, etc the contracts. And again, Shore is a lawyer and accountant… Grier is a journalist. Lol…
You think Brandon Shore is responsible for the Ramsay extension beyond just writing up contract numbers? lol another completely wrong opinion.
Did you really do a “spk English”? There isn’t a single poster on this forum who posts more nonsense than you.
I’m glad you wanted to put some thought into your post this time around, but maybe take some time to think what opinion you’re protecting - @danmarino7051 is saying Brandon shore deserves the blame for the poor Ramsey extension when the extension ONLY happens because of Chris Grier.
Shore works in a small financial box. He’s not involved in football strategy. So yes, you two together are both 100% wrong.
Good enough English for you?
Of course Grier tells Shore he wants Ramsey extended in this scenario. However, Shore negotiated the contract and tells Grier what is possible and what is not when taking the cap into consideration. Shore negotiated the extension. He’s responsible for the numbers involved in that extension. If we go by your thinking then Grier and McD aren’t responsible for anything and instead it’s all Ross who drafts players, creates the contracts, creates plays, calls the plays, and everything else involved with the team.
Dude what the hell are you talking about? I feel like I’ve read intelligent posts from you, but maybe not.
Brandon Shore does contracts. Full stop.
The Ramsey extension - the fact that the EXTENSION EVEN HAPPENED - is 100% on Grier… you know, the GM.
This is an extremely basic concept. Lets agree to move on if you disagree with any of that.
I clearly wrote that Ramsey’s contract is on Shore because someone said that Grier was to blame for that contract. That was the topic. If someone had written that Grier is responsible for the players on the team then I’d agree, but that wasn’t the topic.
Grier is to blame for the contract.
Shore only can play with numbers so much.
The contract only happens because of Grier.
If Grier doesn’t say “extend him for $2mil/yr” and then Shore surprises him with a different number… you don’t understand this? Really?
Grier decides strategy… player, plan, monetary allocation, all of it… he goes to shore *to finalize* and work in his very specific role… Shore is going to tell him the extension will be between “23-26mil/yr of new money and $15-17mil of guarantees” etc etc type ****.
This isn’t Shore’s doing or decision. He works within a framework.
The GM makes the football decisions. I’m really not sure why this is getting so into the weeds.
Ray R
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I am surprised. I was sure Mr. Shore would have been given an office as opposed to a "small financial box". - LOL
As far as his involvement in strategy, have you got a copy of his job description that can verify he has no involvement in strategy?
When I think about those contracts and money approvals that most probably occur; I suspect that there are some limits the Dolphins upper management defines for each area of the Offense, Defense and other groups that fall within those areas before contract talks with individual players and their agents even begin.
While that is a presumption on my part, I feel it is an accurate representation of how NFL teams look at their football budgets.
I do not see any justifications for your presumptions.
Now it's your turn to put some thought into a post before you respond. Good luck with that. - LOL
please refer to the post directly above yours
I wasn’t going to respond to your last ( mostly incorrect post), but since you doubled down:
“Brandon Shore serves as senior vice president of football & business administration for the Miami Dolphins, a role he has held since 2021. The 2024 season marks his 15th year with the club, where he has served in various capacities to now oversee the day-to-day administration of both football and business operations for the organization.”
What do you presume “oversees… football and business operations for the organization”?
Are contracts business operations? Yes
Are the players football operations? Yes
In reality, this is how it would go:
Grier: “Hey, I want Player A. Can we get him?”
Shore: “Let me work the cap and negotiate with the agent to get him to X cost and of the player agrees we can sign him.”
Your second sentence is completely incorrect. Brandon Shore reports to Chris Grier.
Sorry bro, he doesn’t. I’ll see if I can find the article, but it explained that Grier, (I think) McD, and Shore all report directly to Ross. They all 3 work together, but they don’t report to each other.
I look forward to it.
Edit: Also, for what it’s worth, McDaniel has reported to Grier since 2022…and Grier actually reports to Garfinkel.
In the end, of course they all report to Ross, but they certainly don’t only report to Ross.
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You realize where all this started?
You stated that Shore is the reason Ramsey has the extension. When Mach2 and then myself argued it’s because of Grier.
And now we are here. Nothing more to say.