Rank Tannehill Among Young QB's?

[roy_miami]

Are you suggesting that the change in QBs were the only changes to the two teams?

Why do all the Tannehaters avoid the basic question. Was the rest of the Dolphins offense any good? It is really not that hard to figure out.

With good QB play we make the playoffs, with great QB play we give NE a run for the division. Under Philbin the team is practically undefeated and is 12-1 when the QB plays to 88 rating or higher, and the only loss came against a great performance by Luck who had a 120 rating that game and it was in their house. So yes, our offense was good enough as it was and it'll only get better as we continue to transform it to fit more what Philbin envisions.

Philbin doesn't believe in coddling or protecting the QB, if you're in there you will be treated like you are Aaron Rodgers, and if the expected value (ev) is greater on a pass because the defense is stacking the box then you pass. If our QB can't take advantage of situations where its his job to snatch up the extra ev then our whole system unravels. Not many coaches would take this approach and we'll see if it pays off in the long run with Tannehill but I still think Wilson would have been the exception and excelled just as much in our pass happy high flying offense as he has in theirs.

 

[truedolfan57]

With good QB play we make the playoffs, with great QB play we give NE a run for the division. Under Philbin the team is practically undefeated and is 12-1 when the QB plays to 88 rating or higher, and the only loss came against a great performance by Luck who had a 120 rating that game and it was in their house. So yes, our offense was good enough as it was and it'll only get better as we continue to transform it to fit more what Philbin envisions.

Philbin doesn't believe in coddling or protecting the QB, if you're in there you will be treated like you are Aaron Rodgers, and if the expected value (ev) is greater on a pass because the defense is stacking the box then you pass. If our QB can't take advantage of situations where its his job to snatch up the extra ev then our whole system unravels. Not many coaches would take this approach and we'll see if it pays off in the long run with Tannehill but I still think Wilson would have been the exception and excelled just as much in our pass happy high flying offense as he has in theirs.

all that is great, but to expect your QB to play at a 88 rating or higher every single week, is pretty much asking for the impossible. it would be nice to have a team that can carry the QB once or twice, in case the qb can't reach that 88 rating.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

With good QB play we make the playoffs, with great QB play we give NE a run for the division. Under Philbin the team is practically undefeated and is 12-1 when the QB plays to 88 rating or higher, and the only loss came against a great performance by Luck who had a 120 rating that game and it was in their house. So yes, our offense was good enough as it was and it'll only get better as we continue to transform it to fit more what Philbin envisions.

All of that assumes that the play of the QB and the resulting rating is independent of the rest of the players on offense. That is simply not true. To rephrase your claim more accurately:

When the offense plays efficient enough for the QB to get a rating of 88 or higher, the team is 12-1.

Philbin doesn't believe in coddling or protecting the QB, if you're in there you will be treated like you are Aaron Rodgers, and if the expected value (ev) is greater on a pass because the defense is stacking the box then you pass. If our QB can't take advantage of situations where its his job to snatch up the extra ev then our whole system unravels. Not many coaches would take this approach and we'll see if it pays off in the long run with Tannehill but I still think Wilson would have been the exception and excelled just as much in our pass happy high flying offense as he has in theirs.

Well WTF happens when the defense is sitting back in coverage and you can't run the damn ball? What happens when your OL can't block 4 pass rushers for 2 seconds? Face it, Tannehill was the best player on our offense.

Wilson was the center of a pass first offense in college and he DID NOT have the same success. He put up numbers that were not as good as Tannehill's under similar college circumstances.

 

[BlueFin]

With good QB play we make the playoffs, with great QB play we give NE a run for the division. Under Philbin the team is practically undefeated and is 12-1 when the QB plays to 88 rating or higher, and the only loss came against a great performance by Luck who had a 120 rating that game and it was in their house. So yes, our offense was good enough as it was and it'll only get better as we continue to transform it to fit more what Philbin envisions.

Philbin doesn't believe in coddling or protecting the QB, if you're in there you will be treated like you are Aaron Rodgers, and if the expected value (ev) is greater on a pass because the defense is stacking the box then you pass. If our QB can't take advantage of situations where its his job to snatch up the extra ev then our whole system unravels. Not many coaches would take this approach and we'll see if it pays off in the long run with Tannehill but I still think Wilson would have been the exception and excelled just as much in our pass happy high flying offense as he has in theirs.

No way...even the Great Tom Brady gets killed behind the pass protect we had last year...if you can't understand that I can't help you.

This wasn't a playoff team last year...attrocious pass protect...couldn't run the ball and couldn't stop the run.

Is that your definition of a playoff team?...Maybe in lala land...not in the NFL.

I don't expect the Tannehill or Dolphin haters to ever get that or admit it.

 

[Kencoboy]

No way...even the Great Tom Brady gets killed behind the pass protect we had last year...if you can't understand that I can't help you.

This wasn't a playoff team last year...attrocious pass protect...couldn't run the ball and couldn't stop the run.

Is that your definition of a playoff team?...Maybe in lala land...not in the NFL.

Amen brother. Good news is a lot was done to try to fix the OL mess. Bad news is Pouncey got hurt and we're seemingly back to square one. If you can't protect your QB in this league you're done. Only time will tell.

 

[Twitches Brew]

No way...even the Great Tom Brady gets killed behind the pass protect we had last year...if you can't understand that I can't help you.

This wasn't a playoff team last year...attrocious pass protect...couldn't run the ball and couldn't stop the run.

Is that your definition of a playoff team?...Maybe in lala land...not in the NFL.

Are you saying that if Tom Brady was our QB last year we still would've gone 8-8 and missed the playoffs?

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Are you saying that if Tom Brady was our QB last year we still would've gone 8-8 and missed the playoffs?

Unless he throws from his back better than Tannehill does, then yes.

 

[Twitches Brew]

Unless he throws from his back better than Tannehill does, then yes.

Wow. So you think Tannehill and Brady are basically equal, or at least worth the same number of wins. You are beyond help. Never have I encountered such depths of excuse-making homerism.

 

[Yessir]

Unless he throws from his back better than Tannehill does, then yes.

This is a beyond homerism at this point. More like delusion.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Wow. So you think Tannehill and Brady are basically equal, or at least worth the same number of wins. You are beyond help. Never have I encountered such depths of excuse-making homerism.

If that is what you take away from my post, I can't help you. I didn't say they were basically equal. As the Super Bowl showed, even one of the greatest of all time struggles when the pass rush is too much. At some point you reach the point where the quality of the QB doesn't matter because they are not able to properly play the position under the circumstances. Brady threw one more TD than Tannehill last season. ONE.

Miami had 8 rushing TDs, the Pats had 19.

I don't think Tannehill is as good as Brady, but with the Dolphins last season, it would not have mattered.

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This is a beyond homerism at this point. More like delusion.

It is the opposite of homerism. It is the sad realization that even one of the greatest QBs of all time would not have helped this team.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Are you saying that if Tom Brady was our QB last year we still would've gone 8-8 and missed the playoffs?

I'll flip it around for you. Do I think that if Tannehill was the QB of the Patriots last season, they would have gone 12-4? No. He is not good enough to deal with the weaknesses at receiver that NE had last season. BTW, neither was Brady in his second year. Will Tannehill ever be? Who knows?

 

[Yessir]

Tom Brady makes the the Dolphins offensive line better last year. Why? Because of his football IQ, and his ability to read defenses and digest information. It's a much higher level of quarterback play. Brady gets rid of the ball. And with Wallace, Hartline, and Clay, he would've had a much better set of pass catchers than he was working with last year.

You're flat out delusional if you think, all things equal, Brady doesn't squeeze out 11-5 out of the Dolphins last year. Tannehill and Brady aren't equals in any capacity.

 

[nyjunc]

I'll flip it around for you. Do I think that if Tannehill was the QB of the Patriots last season, they would have gone 12-4? No. He is not good enough to deal with the weaknesses at receiver that NE had last season. BTW, neither was Brady in his second year. Will Tannehill ever be? Who knows?

NE didn't have the weapons in 2001 that Ryan had last year.

If Ryan was the QB of NE they wouldn't have been .500. That's not a knock on Ryan, Brady is the best QB of his generation. It's asinine to compare them in any way.

 

[Twitches Brew]

If that is what you take away from my post, I can't help you. I didn't say they were basically equal. As the Super Bowl showed, even one of the greatest of all time struggles when the pass rush is too much. At some point you reach the point where the quality of the QB doesn't matter because they are not able to properly play the position under the circumstances. Brady threw one more TD than Tannehill last season. ONE.

Miami had 8 rushing TDs, the Pats had 19.

I don't think Tannehill is as good as Brady, but with the Dolphins last season, it would not have mattered.

It is the opposite of homerism. It is the sad realization that even one of the greatest QBs of all time would not have helped this team.

The fact that you don't think Tom Brady would have increased our win total AT ALL tells me everything I need to know about your perspective on the quarterback position.

 

[roy_miami]

The fact that you don't think Tom Brady would have increased our win total AT ALL tells me everything I need to know about your perspective on the quarterback position.

Hey, all he's doing is assuming Tannehill is the best QB in the game today and if he couldn't do better than 8-8, well, then being better than 8-8 was just an impossibility. He's not the homer though, we are....