Rank Tannehill Among Young QB's?

[DuderinoN703]

Nope but anyone who watched Seattle's OL last year knows how mediocre they were JUST LIKE Miami.

It's interesting though that when it comes to Ryan's sacks they were ALL the fault of the worst OL in history but w/ Seattle you now want context. I wonder why that is?

We've already had this debate. No one claims that the OL was 100% at fault for the sacks given up. Someone had even posted a video of all 58 sacks that showed who was to blame.

 

[Ben Had]

Didn't ask you about any of that. I asked if you were interested in providing any insight to your claim that Miami and Seattle's pass blocking were similar. If you won't or can't, that's fine.

Your waisting your time with junc...he's trolling heavy today. When he says things like this about Tannehill "he had a chance to get Miami to postseason and failed" it says it all.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

why should I do that when you don't do that? All I know is Seattle's Ol struggled through much of the reg season, they were better in postseason b/c of good health. They were every bit as mediocre/bad as Miami's but a)Seattle didn't abandon the run game and b)Seattle had a QB that could extend plays and make something out of nothing.

Of course I have. You aren't obligated to back up claims with facts. No worries.

 

[nyjunc]

Your waisting your time with junc...he's trolling heavy today. When he says things like this about Tannehill "he had a chance to get Miami to postseason and failed" it says it all.

clearly "waisting" time.

Of course I have. You aren't obligated to back up claims with facts. No worries.

I am following your lead.

the funny thing is you think posting some random out of context #s from stat sites is backing up your claims:lol2:

 

[DuderinoN703]

Seattle had the 4th best rushing attack in the NFL in 2013. If the OL was as bad as Miami's, how can this be? They gave up 44 sacks which is the middle of the pack.

Regarding Russell Wilson, he was 22nd in the league in pass attempts. He didn't need to throw as often as other QBs b/c the running game and OL are at worst not bad.

 

[nyjunc]

Seattle had the 4th best rushing attack in the NFL in 2013. If the OL was as bad as Miami's, how can this be? They gave up 44 sacks which is the middle of the pack.

Regarding Russell Wilson, he was 22nd in the league in pass attempts. He didn't need to throw as often as other QBs b/c the running game and OL are at worst not bad.

4th best in terms of yards rushing, they were 2nd in rush attempts so that's not a good combo.

Lynch averaged 4.2 YPC, a good but not great # and di a lot of that fighting for extra yards. Unlike Miami they didn't abandon the ground game and pass too much.

44 sacks may be middle of the pack(I'm not sure) but he was sacked at a higher rate than Ryan.

If he threw more they still would have succeeded, they didn't throw just to throw like Miami did and he didn't turn it over like Ryan did. Ryan turned it over 22 times, Wilson 14 times. That's a pretty big difference and it kept their D in better situations.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

clearly "waisting" time.



I am following your lead.

the funny thing is you think posting some random out of context #s from stat sites is backing up your claims:lol2:

You've made your unwillingness clear. Seriously, it's okay.

 

[roy_miami]

Didn't ask you about any of that. I asked if you were interested in providing any insight to your claim that Miami and Seattle's pass blocking were similar. If you won't or can't, that's fine.

30-Miami-Adjusted sack rate: 8.6%
32-Seattle-Adjusted sack rate: 9.6%

www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

It shouldn't come as a big surprise that Seattle's o-line had issues seeing as they lost both starting tackles for a big chunk of the season.

 

[DuderinoN703]

4th best in terms of yards rushing, they were 2nd in rush attempts so that's not a good combo.

Lynch averaged 4.2 YPC, a good but not great # and di a lot of that fighting for extra yards. Unlike Miami they didn't abandon the ground game and pass too much.

44 sacks may be middle of the pack(I'm not sure) but he was sacked at a higher rate than Ryan.

If he threw more they still would have succeeded, they didn't throw just to throw like Miami did and he didn't turn it over like Ryan did. Ryan turned it over 22 times, Wilson 14 times. That's a pretty big difference and it kept their D in better situations.

Seattle had the 4th most yards per game too. Seattle was tied for 10th in sacks allowed with 4 other teams. The Texans, who were 17th in sacks allowed, gave up 2 less. That's middle of the pack.

Russell Wilson has had a better career so far than Tannehill has. I've never said anything otherwise. Miami also choked last year b/c unless my Spurs, that's what they do. Seattle is by far the better all-around team.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

30-Miami-Adjusted sack rate: 8.6%
32-Seattle-Adjusted sack rate: 9.6%

www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

It shouldn't come as a big surprise that Seattle's o-line had issues seeing as they lost both starting tackles for a big chunk of the season.

I'll ask you the same questions. What do you think that indicates and why? Please try a little bit of analysis rather than shallow statements. Try to cover the following:

1. Are all sacks created equal?
2. What are the primary causes of sacks?
3. Is there any way to determine the types of sacks that occurred?
4. How did Miami and Seattle compare in the types of sacks that were allowed?

 

[nyjunc]

Seattle had the 4th most yards per game too. Seattle was tied for 10th in sacks allowed with 4 other teams. The Texans, who were 17th in sacks allowed, gave up 2 less. That's middle of the pack.

Russell Wilson has had a better career so far than Tannehill has. I've never said anything otherwise. Miami also choked last year b/c unless my Spurs, that's what they do. Seattle is by far the better all-around team.

Houston gave up 42 sacks on 633 attempts
Wilson was sacked 44 times on 407 attempts

 

[DuderinoN703]

Houston gave up 42 sacks on 633 attempts
Wilson was sacked 44 times on 407 attempts

Awesome. But that is also reality. Seattle didn't throw as much b/c as I've already stated, they didn't need to. The literal fact of the matter is Houston allowed 2 less stats.

Seattle doesn't run with Lynch, Turbin, Wilson, and others as often as they did if they weren't good at it.

 

[roy_miami]

I'll ask you the same questions. What do you think that indicates and why? Please try a little bit of analysis rather than shallow statements. Try to cover the following:

1. Are all sacks created equal?
2. What are the primary causes of sacks?
3. Is there any way to determine the types of sacks that occurred?
4. How did Miami and Seattle compare in the types of sacks that were allowed?

Making excuses for average play of one player on a team is the lowest of the low hanging fruit. Tannehill was playing injured week 17, that is the only excuse he gets by with for me.

I'll tell you this though, under Philbin Tannehill will likely be sacked at an above average rate most seasons and under Carroll Wilson will likely be sacked at a lower than average rate most seasons. It should be obvious why that should be the case.

 

[nyjunc]

Awesome. But that is also reality. Seattle didn't throw as much b/c as I've already stated, they didn't need to. The literal fact of the matter is Houston allowed 2 less stats.

Seattle doesn't run with Lynch, Turbin, Wilson, and others as often as they did if they weren't good at it.

but the YPC #s tell us otherwise. Seattle didn't have a great run game but they didn't abandon it either like Miami did.

 

[DuderinoN703]

but the YPC #s tell us otherwise. Seattle didn't have a great run game but they didn't abandon it either like Miami did.

4th most yards in NFL and 4th most YPC isn't a great run game? Sign me up regardless.