Just to be clear, is it that you cannot answer the questions or won't answer the questions? Do you not understand the questions?
The reaction to the simple set of questions has been pretty funny.
Rank Tannehill Among Young QB's?
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Just to be clear, is it that you cannot answer the questions or won't answer the questions? Do you not understand the questions?
The reaction to the simple set of questions has been pretty funny.
Of course I understand. You can speculate about the reasons for the disparity in the sack stats and so can I. IMO, the sacks by unblocked defenders are on the QB. They have to recognize where the unblocked defender will come from. Clearly you don't understand that. The coverage sacks are also on the QB. You and the other Tannehaters are all over Tannehill for not getting rid of the ball and taking sacks. For Wilson, so how that is a strength. You continue to try to have it both ways. Won't work. You give Wilson credit for avoiding sacks and take away credit from his OL for coverage sacks in the span of two sentences.
Miami's OL gave up more blown block sacks AND quick sacks. The numbers line up even if you don't want them to.
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And that proves Tannehill is one of the leagues top QBs, how?
So you're telling me that you don't understand the difference between holding the ball too long while sitting in the pocket like a lame duck AND buying time with your feet? You don't understand the difference between Drew Bledsoe and Ben Roethlisberger? Not seeing the separation? Difficult to discern, maybe?
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Haha this post just makes me appreciate the constant defense that FinFan puts up.
The question is what are you trying to prove? All FinFan and most Dolphins fans are saying is that Tannehill was able to muster up a pretty good season as a 2nd year QB behind a horrid offensive line, and an OC that completely abandoned any chance at a real running game ( I mean, we had 7 games where our starting RB had 20 or less yards......). It's unfortunate that he has to fight so hard to do so. Ok. Tannehill played a poor game against the Jets, and it was arguably the most important game of his career....I can think of another QB who is considered an all-timer that put up a pretty big stinker in what some would argue was his most important game as a pro. No, I'm not comparing the two, I'm saying if you want to crucify our 2nd year QB for one game, then it is YOU who is not an objective Dolphins fan.
Good job, your stance is that a 2nd year QB with limited experience didn't have a spectacular season behind a bad offensive line and with a large majority of the offense put on his shoulders. Forget the fact that we play in a division with strong defensive line units, and that his supposed safety net TE went out pre-season, and his favorite receiver was dropped by the bye week, followed eventually by his 2nd. I mean, are supposed to praise you for such a bold stance? You're unimpressed? Congrats, man. You should make a shirt that says "I'm unimpressed with the toughness, and constant improvement of our QB". It really speaks to your evaluation of the game.
Call yourself a "realist" if it makes you feel better, but no one is blindly anointing the guy. We went 8-8. No one is ordering the banners, or planning a parade. We are just discussing our quarterback, who in my opinion, looks pretty damn good. You bash FinFan as he simply puts facts into posts, and defends his optimistic stance on Tannehill, and praises the work he's done so far. Meanwhile, you "want" him to be great, but you think he's decent, with upside...wow, that's a real tough position to take boss. Wish we had more fans like you. I'll just keep watching him improve if you don't mind, and if he hits a ceiling, well ****, guess he just didn't develop as much as it looks likes he's going to.
Another straw man. What a surprise.
The hilarity is he calls it a debate. He begs for debate. Tannehill hasn't proven worthy of debate. He's been a mediocrity each of the past 4 seasons. Perhaps that will change and he'll become a star but that is a considerable underdog.
Russell Wilson was a great player as a redshirt freshman at North Carolina State. That was a birthright to establish himself as a great player in the pros, once all the issues like height were overcome. I watched him run rings around the Canes as a small home underdog during that freshman year, and then effortlessly toss it over their head. Everything he did then is recognizable with the Seahawks. Likewise everything Tannehill is doing now is very familiar from his term at Texas A&M.
Heck, I guarantee if we inserted Tannehill at wide receiver he would look virtually the same as he did at Texas A&M. That's the way the world operates. Adjusters are wrong much more often than not. As always, I don't mind making projections if we do it down the line. To do so in the first round is a flawed approach.
I'll continue to rely on an overview, instead of desperately nitpicking every detail. I didn't watch one play of Brock Jensen. His background combined with the fact that he wasn't drafted hinted he would be a flop, so I announced that prediction. It won't work every time but it certainly saves plenty of wasted energy. I remember when I was a kid I used to research every player the Dolphins picked up, in hopes we'd somehow uncovered a gem. Luckily I learned how to estimate percentages and to apply them.
So you're telling me that you don't understand the difference between holding the ball too long while sitting in the pocket like a lame duck AND buying time with your feet? You don't understand the difference between Drew Bledsoe and Ben Roethlisberger? Not seeing the separation? Difficult to discern, maybe?
Are the long sacks because he holds the ball too long or not? You want to ignore the sacks that are his fault AND give him credit for an indeterminate number of mythical sacks that his escapability avoided. And I'm biased?????
I thought you only dealt with facts? Despite not choosing to use statistics to back your views up...
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Tannehill and Wilson are difficult to compare in being different types of QB's. FWIW, RT is rated a little higher in passing (#6) to Wilson (#8) but when you go to running RT is #26 to Wilson's #2. Wilson took 7 sacks for holding the ball 4 seconds or longer to RT with 3 but, was doing a whole lot more with his legs in scrambling to extend plays.
As to unblocked sacks, they are on the team and not the QB or OL. I'm sure that everyone here has seen unblocked blitzers coming in with the QB having no time whatsoever to react.
Just thought I would chime in after missing hundreds of posts. Sorry if this was already posted, which is likely. :)
As to unblocked sacks, they are on the team and not the QB or OL. I'm sure that everyone here has seen unblocked blitzers coming in with the QB having no time whatsoever to react.
Just thought I would chime in after missing hundreds of posts. Sorry if this was already posted, which is likely. :)
One of the best posts of the year.
I have repeatedly said that even with improved pass blocking and an improved running game, there is no guarantee that Tannehill will be a 90+ QBR passer with 4500 yards and 30 TDs. That is very good to elite season. String together multiple of those and you are an elite QB. That is Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Matt Ryan, etc. That is not Wilson, That is not Luck. That is not Tannehill. None of those guys has been elite. The question is why. Just too young? Limited ability? Poor team? A little of each?
Tannehaters want to call them excuses for Tannehill but reasons for Newton, RGIII, Kaep, etc.
I do know that every single team in the NFL, college, high school, and pop warner spends a significant amount of time trying to stop sacks and get sacks. Either the entire football industry is retarded or suffering from a giant shared delusion or SACKS FLOCKIN MATTER.
And the big difference between the two and their situation...scheme (Seattle's is more prone to produce miss-matches with the run threat, covers the inept O line), play-calling (roll-outs, keepers, more O line coverage), and running game (countless benefits). But those aren't considerations because RT didn't play those positions...it's all him.
If he's turned loose this year and falls on his face, then ya...I can see the case for bust. Until such time, I'm a fan, and expect continued improvement and a great season of Dolphin football ahead.
He wasn't better at NC State than Tannehill was at A&M. Sorry but those are the facts. His third year at NC State was WORSE statistically than Tannehill's first full season at A&M. That was the only season in college where Wilson threw a big boy number of passes.
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You have a problem with "fans" not unanimously declaring Tannhill is the best young QB in a thread discussing who everybody thinks are the best young QBs? Sorry, but if you ask for my opinion I'll give it to you. If you don't want to know, don't ask.