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Ronnie Brown

DOLFANMIKE said:
Everyday he sits out, the less valuable he is to us this season.
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I don't believe that's true. I live in Atlanta and read an article this morning here locally and trust me it's not Brown, it's his agent. Brown's mother stated she is concerned at this point but she keeps being told by France not to worry. The article stated his bags are packed and even if a deal is worked out at 3AM he'd be in camp to practice that same morning. I personally know a guy that coached him in high school and he told me on Friday Brown wanted to play in camp despite the deal not being done but didn't realize it wasn't normal to do that. Keep in mind he participated in minicamps without a deal.

I truly believe the problem with this deal is France. If Brown gets 19 mill instead of 22 it's not really that much of a loss to Brown because either way he's never working again after football but it's about 300k less for an agent that's looking to make a name for himself. Don't get mad at Brown here. By all accounts from all local people here he's a great kid and is probably more than embarrased that this is taking so long.
 
my fear is that brown will hold out all of training camp, then sign a deal and proceed to be hurt up all season b/c he didn't get his body in game shape during tc. sure, lifting and running is one thing, but nothing can compare to getting out there w/ pads on, and ronnie hasn't had pads on in 8 months.
 
jlfin said:
He's has been offered guaranteed money, to the tune of 19 million. Again, Cadillac Williams had his agent get it done (I live near Disney World-near Bucs TC). He wanted desperately to get to TC on time.
That's where I draw the comparison. RB doesn't seem to give a darn. He is perfectly entitled to do that, but it is not always the standard. Many players are passionate and can't wait to mix it up. Those players exert pressure on their agents. Waiting for Braylon Edwards and Cedric Benson to sign is a cop out. Usually you wait for the higher picked player (Alex Smith) to sign. There is no excuse now.
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I am a true Dolfanatic, and I wish Ronnie was in camp, but I do understand the other side of the argument. When you are the 2nd overall pick, you deserve to be paid like the second overall pick. If top rookies don't work out deals that gives them a good amount of guaranteed money then they run the risk of getting cut or released before their contract expires, and then all the money they were supposed to get is gone. The NFL needs to work out something where players get their money like they have in the NBA. Players wouldn't hold out if they knew that their contracts would be honored. Alex Smith got a 20% increase in salary as compared to the number 1 from last year, Eli Manning. Therefore, the Phins need to pay RB a 20% increase and get him in camp. Saban was given a blank check to sign coaches to whatever salary he desired, so why the big fuss over giving RB his money?
 
tmny99 said:
I am a true Dolfanatic, and I wish Ronnie was in camp, but I do understand the other side of the argument. When you are the 2nd overall pick, you deserve to be paid like the second overall pick. If top rookies don't work out deals that gives them a good amount of guaranteed money then they run the risk of getting cut or released before their contract expires, and then all the money they were supposed to get is gone. The NFL needs to work out something where players get their money like they have in the NBA. Players wouldn't hold out if they knew that their contracts would be honored. Alex Smith got a 20% increase in salary as compared to the number 1 from last year, Eli Manning. Therefore, the Phins need to pay RB a 20% increase and get him in camp. Saban was given a blank check to sign coaches to whatever salary he desired, so why the big fuss over giving RB his money?
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Not tyring to be a wise guy but the little fuss is over a thing called the salary cap when you have guys like JT, ZT, Sam and others coming due in the next few off seasons. Not to mention future drafts and free agents. Giving up an extra 3 mill now may mean missing a resigning or free agent later.
 
Phishstix said:
my fear is that brown will hold out all of training camp, then sign a deal and proceed to be hurt up all season b/c he didn't get his body in game shape during tc. sure, lifting and running is one thing, but nothing can compare to getting out there w/ pads on, and ronnie hasn't had pads on in 8 months.
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I truly believe he'll be in this week. However, If he's not in by weeks end this could be ugly.
 
AtlantaPhin said:
I don't believe that's true. I live in Atlanta and read an article this morning here locally and trust me it's not Brown, it's his agent. Brown's mother stated she is concerned at this point but she keeps being told by France not to worry. The article stated his bags are packed and even if a deal is worked out at 3AM he'd be in camp to practice that same morning. I personally know a guy that coached him in high school and he told me on Friday Brown wanted to play in camp despite the deal not being done but didn't realize it wasn't normal to do that. Keep in mind he participated in minicamps without a deal.

I truly believe the problem with this deal is France. If Brown gets 19 mill instead of 22 it's not really that much of a loss to Brown because either way he's never working again after football but it's about 300k less for an agent that's looking to make a name for himself. Don't get mad at Brown here.By all accounts from all local people here he's a great kid and is probably more than embarrased that this is taking so long.
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I like RB and think he is a good kid but you can blame him in the sense that the agent works for him and he could tell the agent to take the deal or whatever OR fire the greedy agent.
 
tmny99 said:
I am a true Dolfanatic, and I wish Ronnie was in camp, but I do understand the other side of the argument. When you are the 2nd overall pick, you deserve to be paid like the second overall pick. If top rookies don't work out deals that gives them a good amount of guaranteed money then they run the risk of getting cut or released before their contract expires, and then all the money they were supposed to get is gone. The NFL needs to work out something where players get their money like they have in the NBA. Players wouldn't hold out if they knew that their contracts would be honored. Alex Smith got a 20% increase in salary as compared to the number 1 from last year, Eli Manning. Therefore, the Phins need to pay RB a 20% increase and get him in camp. Saban was given a blank check to sign coaches to whatever salary he desired, so why the big fuss over giving RB his money?
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A 20% increase is insane, and the Niner organization is stupid. What would your boss tell you if you went in and asked for a 20% raise?

Also, the coaches' salaries don't count against the cap. Brown's will. The more we pay him, the less we have in future years to pay other players.
 
arnoldu said:
I like RB and think he is a good kid but you can blame him in the sense that the agent works for him and he could tell the agent to take the deal or whatever OR fire the greedy agent.
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True but also remeber here is a kid straight out of college who has never had money in his life. He was convinced by an agent as all players are that the agent will do whats best for them and he's doing that now. I personally think his agent is too inexperienced here but Ronnie wouldn't have signed with him if he didn't trust him with the biggest business decision of his life.

I also see Miami's side here because SF flat way overpaid Smith in guaranteed money and that's where Frances demands are coming from.
 
KB21 said:
Cadillac got a 15% raise over what the 5th pick received last year. That's why his deal got done.

Ronnie Brown absolutely should not sign unless he gets at least a 15% raise over last year's #2 pick.
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and that's the problem....the Phins don't think he's worth that much (and I have to agree).

At least Brown and France, his agent, haven't turned to the media and actied crappy like Benson and his agent.

While I think that a raise over last years #2 is a legitimat thing...the problem arises in that the % amount is not standardized at all. It's up to the teams and the player's agent to decide. The Phins have reportedly offered a contract with a 5% raise. I think that's acceptable...the agent, France, doesn't think so since the most of the other picks in the 1st round got somehwere between 10 and 15% raises. That's a good chuck of change, no matter which side you look at it from.

I personally think the 5% raise (if that's true) is plenty..and more overall money than ANY RB should get..especially one who's never played a down.

Both the team and France himself face problems with this contract.

From the team's perspective...they don't want to ruin their salary cap. But the team KNEW what a contract for the #2 player was going to cost so if they didn't want to pay it we should have traded down...even if it wasn't the so called "equal value" on a chart.

From France's perspectvie....if he settles for anything too low...he risks loosing a few current players and certainly future top talents as they'll figure he can hold his own, in big contract dealings, with teams.

Here's to hoping that France is will to take that chance! Otherwise this could go on for a while. I personally think one side will crack and I'm hoping that it's France who does the cracking...I'm just pissed the Phins are lowballing (that's subjective) him when they knew what it was going to take before hand.....if we didn't want to pay that much.....we should have traded the damn pick!!!!!
 
Who agrees with me that if Ricky Williams had never comeback all these arguments, talks and threads would be completely different? It's amazing how so many people change their opinons so quickly. :shakeno: Personally, I wish Ricky never came back. It's funny how he's seemed to cause turmoil between the fans once again.
 
its sad when even Drew thinks that this is getting ridiculous
 
we started early most teams have only one week in camp we have two, so brown is not that late, he will sign by the end of the week, we have to sign him and he has to get to TC
 
i would rather have paid edge or alexander the money instead of brown
 
Bonedoc7777 said:
i would rather have paid edge or alexander the money instead of brown
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Why? They won't be in the NFL much longer.
 
Well on the bright side, here's a quote from the Plm Beach Post from 8/5.

"...At this point, as Miami's first-round NFL Draft pick waits for his agent and his team to finalize negotiations, that's all Brown can do. He spends his days at a local gym, usually about three hours every afternoon. And he spends his nights studying the Dolphins' playbook, usually another few hours. ..."

So, at least we know that he is working out and studying. Cartersville is a little town about 110 miles south of where I live. DO you guys want me to go down there and talk some sense with him?

I hope it doesn't take #3 toolong to sign so they can average it out and see where they fall short or are not short in $$.

And I agree, I would rather have had Edge for that money.
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