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Rumor: Philbin wanted to trade for Albert. Ireland said no

ChambersWI said:
Honestly I'm not shifting all blame to Ireland (Michael Egnew was reportedly a Joe Philbin request) but I do think that it's become obvious that there was a HUGE disconnect on players. Some on Philbin, some on Ireland. There are rumors on both and there is probably enough truth to go along with it.

My belief has always been that a GM should be able to work with his scouts, the head coach, and all the assistant coaches to pick players. I don't really think Ireland quite understood what type of players Joe's staff wanted.
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I read that too but I'm not sure if Philbin actually said I want Egnew specifically or if he wanted a specific type of tight end. If you remember, Philbin wasn't at the Senior Bowl practices in 2012 and didn't get to see Egnew perform. However, Jeff Ireland was and praised Egnew for his willingness to block and mix it up.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
My rebuttal to that:

I believe that Jeff Ireland's history with two head coaches, as well as his well publicized inability to get along with other human beings was the real issue there.

I don't necessarily think that Joe Philbin is a good head coach, but I do think that as far as dysfunctional individuals, ol' Jefflon took the cake there.
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I'm really kind of surprised Deadspin has not made a "Tales of Jeff Ireland" column yet. I thought once he finally got his walking papers, stories of his ineptitude pertaining to team management and people skills would be leaking left and right. Perhaps i anticipated too much.
 
You know what I am getting out of all of this? Albert will likely be a Miami Dolphin in March. Think about it, if the head coach was banging his hands on the table for him last offseason, he probably still wants him. On top of that, the likely hire for new GM was in the Kansas City front office when he was drafted into the NFL. Add in the fact that Miami has good cap room, this seems like a move that is destined to happen. One year late, but no draft picks needed this time.
 
roy_miami said:
There is a reason one man is granted "final say." Disputes over talent are going to take place, its inevitable.
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A strong coach would have benched Martin and forced his hand. C'mon guys, have none of you ever had to take a stand? Really?

Rookie coach? Final say? If you have a bum on your team, you move heaven and hell to keep from letting him protect your developmental 2nd year QB's back side. You go to the mat for what you believe. You don't tuck your tail between your legs and hope for the best.

A strong coach would have gotten this done.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
Meshes with the report that Joe told the FO that Martin straight up could not play left tackle. You can choose whether or not to believe it, because at this point people inside the Dolphins are going to pin the blame for everything on Jeff Ireland, but I think it's obvious that there was a huge disconnect between the personnel department and the coaching staff.
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right about the time joe lost the last two game. cus the man said in December that Jeffy was safe.

okie dokie.
 
This jives with what has been said in the past. I have no doubts Martin was seen as a viable option as a backup plan but not THE plan. Anyone who thought he was going to be the answer based on the previous year was obviously lying to themselves.

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finfan54 said:
right about the time joe lost the last two game. cus the man said in December that Jeffy was safe.

okie dokie.
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Which speaks volume to the disconnect between Ross and the football side of the operation. Which is also why we need sometime of football job that each reports too (czar, president, etc.)
 
ChambersWI said:
Honestly I'm not shifting all blame to Ireland (Michael Egnew was reportedly a Joe Philbin request) but I do think that it's become obvious that there was a HUGE disconnect on players. Some on Philbin, some on Ireland. There are rumors on both and there is probably enough truth to go along with it.

My belief has always been that a GM should be able to work with his scouts, the head coach, and all the assistant coaches to pick players. I don't really think Ireland quite understood what type of players Joe's staff wanted.
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this is complete crap. joe was sitting next to jeff the whole draft. Same with the owner. They basically all agreed that Jordan was the man of the draft. I guess they will not blame that one on jeff in case the kid becomes great, then it wasnt jeff's pick at all. It was Joes.
 
Vertical Limit said:
Ireland deserves a lot of blame but this notion that Philbin wasn't involved and has no blame is ridiculous as well. Just like it was ridiculous to blame Parcells but not Ireland for the first two drafts.
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Well, Joe Philbin sees how well the blame game worked for Jeff Ireland (Blame Parcells and Sparano), that he thought he'd try it, and sure enough it's worked like a charm.

His team falls apart the last 2 games of the season and it's not his fault. Neither is the most sacks in the NFL problem. Neither is the Martin quitting the team problem. Neither is an 8-8 season. Neither is the development of Ryan Tannehill, or the performance of the players drafted the last 2 years. No, Philbin wasn't at the Senior Bowl in 2012, but he was there in 2013 and he had a big influence on the draft from both years. No one can tell me that Martin, a smart, Ivy League, athletic tackle, wasn't a Philbin-type player. Or Egnew.
 
NCFINFAN13 said:
A strong coach would have benched Martin and forced his hand. C'mon guys, have none of you ever had to take a stand? Really?

Rookie coach? Final say? If you have a bum on your team, you move heaven and hell to keep from letting him protect your developmental 2nd year QB's back side. You go to the mat for what you believe. You don't tuck your tail between your legs and hope for the best.

A strong coach would have gotten this done.
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This isn't kindergarten, you don't bench your best option at tackle out of spite just to make a point. Yes Martin was **** but he was still the best option. And you can't make demands over the guy with final say, he is granted final say because only one person can be in charge with FINAL SAY.
 
HoneyB said:
No one can tell me that Martin, a smart, Ivy League, athletic tackle, wasn't a Philbin-type player. Or Egnew.
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Whether he was a Philbin pick or not is irrelevant, Philbin realized he wasn't working out and wanted him replaced, or he at least wanted another option. Philbin was right and that one move probably cost us the playoffs.
 
roy_miami said:
This isn't kindergarten, you don't bench your best option at tackle out of spite just to make a point. Yes Martin was **** but he was still the best option. And you can't make demands over the guy with final say, he is granted final say because only one person can be in charge with FINAL SAY.
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Are you kidding me? This isn't kindergarten? We know this. AND we know the men lining up against Rat Fink aren't toddlers. Their sole purpose in life is to create mayhem against their opponents, which includes hitting opposing QB's has hard as humanly possible, inflicting as much pain and injury as their impact can deliver.

Yeah, let's let a bum protect our QB.

I've dealt with many a "final say" superior. If you're strong enough and have the brains, evidence and RESPECT, you can get what you need.

A strong coach would have gotten it done. Phailbin is weak. His coaching acumen is weak. His coaching staff is weak. And all the excuses are weak.

I bet Aponte would have gotten what she wanted, because she has big bad balls.
 
A strong coach would have gotten it done when he didnt have power over the gm who was adamently aginst it?
 
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