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Russell Wilson could have been a Miami Dolphin

roy_miami said:
Thats not the same as them saying they would take Tannehill over him.

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If only Tannehill had Lynch...
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It's more like: "if only Tannehill had Pete Carroll!!!"

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Playing the "what if" game... imagine how Atlanta feels.. they could have had Joe Flacco :idk:
 
Albert Romano said:
PHOENIX -- Time has a way of uncovering facts and this morning has been a good one for that.
I take you back to January of 2012 when the Dolphins were conducting a head coaching search. One candidate name that flew under the radar then but surfaced in an ESPN article today is Bret Bielema, who was the Wisconsin coach at the time.I'm told owner Stephen Ross was really high on Bielema at a time he was leading the Badgers to multiple Rose Bowl appearances. Carl Peterson liked him a lot as well. But the pursuit suddenly ... just ... stopped. A day and a half into the meetings the sides, I'm told, had "personnel issues." And now I understand the "personnel issues." Bielema told ESPN that during his meetings with the Dolphins he promised them a Super Bowl in five years if they drafted quarterback Russell Wilson in the second round. Wilson was Bielema's QB at the time. And when the coach told the Dolphins he wanted his college QB with Miami, that drove a wedge in the interview. "They all looked at me like, 'You can't say that.," Bielema said. "That's the difference between college and pro. He's undersized. He can't throw.' I was like, 'OK, all right,' and I honestly, that day, kind of pulled myself out of it." Bielema told ESPN he couldn't work with people he could agree with on what players Miami should pick.The Dolphins picked Ryan Tannehill in the first round with the No. 8 overall pick. Wilson was picked by the Seahawks in the third round with pick No. 75. The fact is Wilson was passed by the Dolphins three times because Miami used its second round pick for Jonathan Martin and its third round pick (No. 72 overall) for Olivier Vernon.But, again, Wilson was not a secret to the Dolphins. I am told that Bob Griese, a Hall of Fame quarterback and part of the Dolphins broadcast team, told everyone within the organization that would listen that Wilson needed to be picked by Miami.Griese told the Dolphins Wilson was, as one source put it, "far and away the second best quarterback prospect in the draft behind Andrew Luck."

Obviously, no one listened.

I will say then-general manager Jeff Ireland told me in a 2013 conversation that he "liked" Wilson. But he had decided Tannehill would be his guy and he wasn't about to double down at quarterback by picking Wilson as well.And, obviously, we do not know whether Wilson would have had the same kind of success in Miami that he has had in Seattle. He is surrounded in Seattle by an outstanding defense and a great running game. The Dolphins no longer have an outstanding defense.But none of that changes these facts: The Dolphins were told at the highest levels -- ownership -- Russell Wilson should be their man. They dismissed the notion out of hand. Then a person of high reputation within the organization tried to convince people Wilson was a find. And he was ignored. What might have been.

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Even I knew it, and I don't follow college much. I was on a forum where people were talking about Andrew Luck, and one person interrupted and said, "If you want a better QB than Luck, better pocket awareness, better arm, better leadership, better vision, legs, etc....then pick Wilson". I won;t say he is better in every way than Luck because I don't watch either specifically, but Wilson certainly has made a case for himself. I'm not saying we automatically win the SB with him, but I think we would have been in the playoffs at least the past 2 years, and maybe could have been a team with a chance. Hope. So I thought the poster who went on about Wilson was maybe Wilson's cousin or something. So I checked with my other online buddies and asked about Russell Wilson and they said all of it was true. Great player. He's just shorter. One of the guys who follows QB's and played division 1 QB said he would pick him in round 2. Of course we didn't.
 
whizafriz said:
Ehh, I think you're overlooking a major aspect here, and thus skewing reality.
You're saying Wilson makes his team better and Tannehill doesn't, as though that's fact, but what's also fact is that Wilson's team around him is indeed better than Tanne's despite the QB position. Making a serviceable team better is easier than making a lousy team, good. Just look at the coaching. Carroll and Philbin, you'd put them on equal footing? Dan Quinn and Coyle? Tannehill's OC since college is Mike Sherman, only having Lazor for 1 year? Some hefty differences here, and I just don't see it.
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Here's what we know definitively.

Russel Wilson can elevate what is essentially a balanced team, to MULTIPLE Super Bowls. That's a fact.

What we don't know, is if he can carry an average one to the post-season. But based of what I've seen, and factoring in those leadership qualities and intangibles, I sure as hell wouldn't bet against it.

We definitively KNOW that Tannehill isn't capable as such. Tannehill is taking average talent....to an average record.

What we DON'T know definitively about Tannehill is if he had a supporting group similar to that of the Seahawks, CAN he maximize that situation? I'm definitely not sure, and if you, or anyone else say they are sure he could, I think you'd be deluding yourself a bit.

Some on here (Tannehill zombies) like to foolishy simplify Wilson's impact on the Seahawks as merely as riding a great defense and running game to glory.

Well if that's the case, then why were they a 7-9 team before him?

If quarterbacking is as simple as riding a great team, then why haven't the Bengals, who have Super Bowl level skill posistion talent, and a defense to boot, why can't they get to the next level, since it's so easy? I'll tell you why? Cuz their QB is a trash can masquerading as a quarterback.

You can be blessed with great personnell groups on both sides of the ball, but the quarterback still got to go out there and execute and make winning plays. Wilson is proven, that he is EXACTLY that.

I'm waiting to see if Tannehill can do as such.
 
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Yessir said:
Here's what we know definitively.

Russel Wilson can elevate what is essentially a balanced team, to MULTIPLE Super Bowls. That's a fact.

What we don't know, is if he can carry an average one to the post-season. But based of what I've seen, and factoring in those leadership qualities and intangibles, I sure as hell wouldn't bet against it.

We definitively KNOW that Tannehill isn't capable as such. Tannehill is taking average talent....to an average record.

What we DON'T know definitively about Tannehill is if he had a supporting group similar to that of the Seahawks, CAN he maximize that situation? I'm definitely not sure, and if you, or anyone else say they are sure he could, I think you'd be deluding yourself a bit.

Some on here like to foolishy simplify Wilson's impact on the Seahawks as merely as riding a great defense and running game.

Well if that's the case, then why were they a 7-9 team before him?

If quarterbacking is as simple as riding a great team, then why haven't the Bengals, who have Super Bowl level skill posistion talent, and a defense to boot, why can't they get to the next level, since it's so easy? I'll tell you why? Cuz their QB is a trash can masquerading as a quarterback.

You can be blessed with great personnell groups on both sides of the ball, but the quarterback still got to go out there and execute and make winning plays. Wilson is proven, that he is EXACTLY that.

I'm waiting to see if Tannehill can do as such.
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Balanced? A defense allowing 15.9 pts per game, best in he league, isnt balanced, its downright dominant... An offense thats 2nd in the league in rushing attempts isnt balanced, its downright ground and pound... Gimme a break...
 
NBP81 said:
Balanced? A defense allowing 15.9 pts per game, best in he league, isnt balanced, its downright dominant... An offense thats 2nd in the league in rushing attempts isnt balanced, its downright ground and pound... Gimme a break...
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Remind me, how many of those yards/attempts did Russel Wilson rush for this year?

When you have QB who runs it 118 times for 860 yards, you know you've got a dynamic player on your hands.
 
Yessir said:
Remind me, how many of those yards/attempts did Russel Wilson rush for this year?

When you have QB who runs it 118 times for 860 yards, you know you've got a dynamic player on your hands.
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Great! Doesnt change the fact you cant describe the Seahawks as a mere balenced team... All Im saying is its hard to evaluate a QB when he`s on one of the most old school football team in the league. Especially when you try to compare him to the exact opposite QB that plays for a team that tries to be a pass first team with one of the worst OL in the NFL... apples to oranges comes to mind...
 
Vaark said:
It's more like: "if only Tannehill had Pete Carroll!!!"
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Without Wilson Pete Carroll's record is 47-49 for a win percentage of 49%. With Wilson its 36-12 for a win percentage of 75%. Without Wilson Joe Philbin is at 48%, very much like Carroll was. Hmmmmmmmm.
 
Dolphin North said:
Even I knew it, and I don't follow college much. I was on a forum where people were talking about Andrew Luck, and one person interrupted and said, "If you want a better QB than Luck, better pocket awareness, better arm, better leadership, better vision, legs, etc....then pick Wilson". I won;t say he is better in every way than Luck because I don't watch either specifically, but Wilson certainly has made a case for himself. I'm not saying we automatically win the SB with him, but I think we would have been in the playoffs at least the past 2 years, and maybe could have been a team with a chance. Hope. So I thought the poster who went on about Wilson was maybe Wilson's cousin or something. So I checked with my other online buddies and asked about Russell Wilson and they said all of it was true. Great player. He's just shorter. One of the guys who follows QB's and played division 1 QB said he would pick him in round 2. Of course we didn't.
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No way is Wilson better than Luck. No way Wilson makes this team any better than it currently is. He has a solid offensive line, top 5 back, decent receivers, and the best defense in football. You give Tannehill that and he is making a run at the Super Bowl.
 
roy_miami said:
Without Wilson Pete Carroll's record is 47-49 for a win percentage of 49%. With Wilson its 36-12 for a win percentage of 75%. Without Wilson Joe Philbin is at 48%, very much like Carroll was. Hmmmmmmmm.
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QB rating corrolates to wins, isnt that what you preach? Then explain to me why Seattle still wins when Wilson posts below 70 QB rating games... Could it be that Seattle is a great team that overcomes ****ty QB performances? Hmmmmmm...
 
NBP81 said:
QB rating corrolates to wins, isnt that what you preach? Then explain to me why Seattle still wins when Wilson posts below 70 QB rating games... Could it be that Seattle is a great team that overcomes ****ty QB performances? Hmmmmmm...
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Yes, they do on occasion. Nobody disputes its a very talented team, though I would argue they feed off Wilson who seems to have great intangibles. Anyway, Wilson had 10 games of a 90 passer rating or higher this season and he averages close to 11 a season. Only elite QBs post numbers like those and it is a big part of the reason they have double digit wins every season under him.
 
susser2000 said:
No way Wilson makes this team any better than it currently is. He has a solid offensive line, top 5 back, decent receivers, and the best defense in football. You give Tannehill that and he is making a run at the Super Bowl.
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You put Russell Wilson on Miami's offense, he hits the Mike Wallace deep ball in stride, opposing defenses get stretched out, and the offense takes off.

You put Ryan Tannehill on Seattle's offense, and he's throwing to Doug Baldwin & Jermaine Kearse, and his passer rating is 80-85 max.
 
roy_miami said:
Yes, they do on occasion. Nobody disputes its a very talented team, though I would argue they feed off Wilson who seems to have great intangibles. Anyway, Wilson had 10 games of a 90 passer rating or higher this season and he averages close to 11 a season. Only elite QBs post numbers like those and it is a big part of the reason they have double digit wins every season under him.
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Wilson is hard to define because you rarely, if ever, see elite QBs be part of a team that relies so much on the run. I think Wilson is great, in his current setup. Which is a run first offense with one of the best RB in the league and THE best D in the league. im not taking anything away from him, as he hasnt had a chance to demonstrate what he could do in another setting. What Im saying is you CANT compare him to QBs who are asked to do a whole lot more in their respective offense... Its apples to oranges.... Im not saying Tannehill is better, hell right now Wilson is better IMO, I do think tannehill will become a better QB overall in the long term but thats pure speculation on my part. I just think its unfair to compare Wilson to QBs who are askled to do a whole lot more with wins and SB appearances...
 
roy_miami said:
Without Wilson Pete Carroll's record is 47-49 for a win percentage of 49%. With Wilson its 36-12 for a win percentage of 75%. Without Wilson Joe Philbin is at 48%, very much like Carroll was. Hmmmmmmmm.
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If you're trying to compare an inspirational coach with several college and NFL championships against an anally-fixated, gum-wrapper picker upper who gets rid of good players who challenge hiis authority with about the same field and clock management skills as Stevie Wonder, who didn't even call his own plays in GB.....then I hope it's BC bud you're smoking up there... please don't bogart it.

I guarantee you that a helluva lot more GMs would take Tannehill over Wilson as QB than PHilbin over Carroll as their HC

#toofugginfunny
 
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