Ryan Tannehill's Deep Ball Hasn't Improved Since Texas A&M

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I'd like to see the stats for drops or failures to win the battle for the ball on deep passes by Wallace as compared to other WRs. There were very few over throws on the deep balls and nearly all of them occurred after numerous failures by Wallace to come down with the ball when he had the chance. All the clowns pretending that every deep pass hits the WR in stride just don't watch football or are members of the Angry Deniers.

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[dolpns13]

SEASON & TEAM	PASS DEPTH	COMPLETIONS	ATTEMPTS	COMP %	YARDS	TDs	INTs	YPA
2011 TEXAS A&M	20+ Yards	16	58	27.6	599	7	4	10.3
2013 DOLPHINS	21+ Yards	12	51	23.5	468	3	4	9.2

Do you watch football? Doesn't have to be live, but just in general...

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[Shouright]

I'd like to see the stats for drops or failures to win the battle for the ball on deep passes by Wallace as compared to other WRs. There were very few over throws on the deep balls and nearly all of them occurred after numerous failures by Wallace to come down with the ball when he had the chance. All the clowns pretending that every deep pass hits the WR in stride just don't watch football or are members of the Angry Deniers.

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According to PFF, 7.8% of Tannehill's 20+ yard passes in the air were dropped in 2013, which put him 0.90 standard deviations above the mean and in the 75th percentile among QBs who took at least 50% of their team's snaps.

Had his receivers dropped two fewer of those passes in 2013, Tannehill's number of drops would've been slightly fewer than the league average, and his downfield accuracy as stated in the original post would've gone from 23.5% to 27.5%, still no improvement over the 27.6% number he achieved as a senior at Texas A&M.

In other words, drops weren't driving the bus on this issue in 2013.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

According to PFF, 7.8% of Tannehill's 20+ yard passes in the air were dropped in 2013, which put him 0.90 standard deviations above the mean and in the 75th percentile among QBs who took at least 50% of their team's snaps.

Had his receivers dropped two fewer of those passes in 2013, Tannehill's number of drops would've been slightly fewer than the league average, and his downfield accuracy as stated in the original post would've gone from 23.5% to 27.5%, still no improvement over the 27.6% number he achieved as a senior at Texas A&M.

In other words, drops weren't driving the bus on this issue in 2013.

In other words, you're ignoring part of the post, again. I didn't address just drops. I also addressed failure to win battles for contested deep balls. Wallace sucked at it. Case in point, the photo I posted. That won't get scored as a drop, but Wallace failed on the play. It goes down as a missed deep ball but it is on the receiver as much as the QB.

 

[Shouright]

In other words, you're ignoring part of the post, again. I didn't address just drops. I also addressed failure to win battles for contested deep balls. Wallace sucked at it. Case in point, the photo I posted. That won't get scored as a drop, but Wallace failed on the play. It goes down as a missed deep ball but it is on the receiver as much as the QB.

True; however, we'd have to know how often that happened at Texas A&M in 2011, as well, to determine whether he's improved since then.

 

[dolpns13]

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I'd like to see the stats for drops or failures to win the battle for the ball on deep passes by Wallace as compared to other WRs. There were very few over throws on the deep balls and nearly all of them occurred after numerous failures by Wallace to come down with the ball when he had the chance. All the clowns pretending that every deep pass hits the WR in stride just don't watch football or are members of the Angry Deniers.

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Or thrown where the CB couldn't make a play on it and where the receiver is expected to. That can be easily derived by looking at how Wallace is jumping and bringing the ball into his chest, instead of staying on the ground facing toward the sideline and stretching out while making the grab with his hands, keeping his toes inbounds. Easy completion of you think about it. Receivers make that catch all the time. Wallace is a body catcher and doesn't catch with his hands. Maybe another bad play call by Sherman putting Wallace in that position to make that type of sideline play.

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[dlockz]

True; however, we'd have to know how often that happened at Texas A&M in 2011, as well, to determine whether he's improved since then.

Well with that theory Andrew Luck has severely regressed since college as has RG3.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

True; however, we'd have to know how often that happened at Texas A&M in 2011, as well, to determine whether he's improved since then.

Frankly, I don't care.

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Well with that theory Andrew Luck has severely regressed since college as has RG3.

Shhhh, don't tell that to the Angry Deniers.

 

[WVDolphan]

Im not sure you ever played football. If you have better line play, better receiver play, better oc then there is a good chance for improvement. Just because you choose some number to try to support an argument doesn't make them any more rational lol. Its your personal opinion that he wont, you just choose to find some random numbers to support your argument.

I think youre confusing "improvement" with success.

Yes, with all of those things better(OC, OL..... and whos to say they will be better) the other players on the team have a better chance to succeed as an individual and as a team, however that dosent mean their individual skills improve. The QB is who he is. I have a hard time believing a grown man at age 26 will suddenly become better at throwing a football.

I think the areas of Tannehill's game that could potentially improve with hard work are the mental aspects. I think people can become better at say.... reading coverages and things of that nature that involve study time and experience. Physical skills however are different IMHO. I personally dont see how a guy who is a grown man and has been throwing a football many times pretty much every day of his life for several years will all of the sudden get better at it.

 

[Nawledge]

# Name Team Att. Comp Drops Yards TDs INTs Att. % Acc. %
1 Russell Wilson SEA 60 27 2 922 9 5 14.7 48.3
2 Peyton Manning DEN 83 38 2 1299 12 5 12.6 48.2
3 Geno Smith NYJ 60 26 2 830 4 7 13.5 46.7
4 Mike Glennon TB 46 18 3 673 7 1 11.1 45.7
5 Jay Cutler CHI 57 24 2 829 5 5 16.1 45.6
5 Colin Kaepernick SF 57 21 5 683 6 2 13.7 45.6
7 Nick Foles PHI 55 25 0 803 14 1 17.4 45.5
8 Andy Dalton CIN 86 31 7 1028 14 5 14.7 44.2
9 Philip Rivers SD 57 21 4 696 7 4 10.5 43.9
10 Tony Romo DAL 56 21 3 695 8 1 10.5 42.9
11 Drew Brees NO 77 29 2 1128 15 2 11.8 40.3
12 Tom Brady NE 66 20 6 694 4 4 10.5 39.4
13 Matthew Stafford DET 77 23 6 728 8 7 12.1 37.7
14 Andrew Luck IND 60 17 5 614 5 2 10.5 36.7
15 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 76 24 3 730 7 7 13.0 35.5
16 Eli Manning NYG 70 21 3 725 6 7 12.7 34.3
17 Ryan Tannehill MIA 64 16 5 560 3 6 10.9 32.8
18 Cam Newton CAR 64 15 5 502 8 4 13.5 31.3
19 Carson Palmer ARZ 74 23 0 737 7 8 12.9 31.1
20 Robert Griffin III WAS 46 12 2 406 4 4 10.1 30.4
21 Joe Flacco BLT 88 17 6 730 1 8 14.3 26.1


Luck: 17/60, 36.7%, 614 yards, 5 TD's 2 INT's
Foles: 25/55, 45.5%, 803 yards, 14 TD's, 1 INT
Manning: 38/83, 48.2%, 1299 yards, 12 TD's, 5 INT
Rivers: 21/57, 43.9%, 696 yards, 7 TD's, 4 INT
Brady: 20/66, 39.4%, 694 yards, 4 TD's, 4 INT
Stafford: 23/77, 37.7%, 728 yards, 8 TD's, 7 INT
Tannehill: 16/64, 560 yards, 3 TD's, 6 INT's

He's in Luck's ballpark.

wow Brady completed 4 more deep balls....tannehill really sucks (sarcasm)

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Physical skills however are different IMHO. I personally dont see how a guy who is a grown man and has been throwing a football many times pretty much every day of his life for several years will all of the sudden get better at it.

Where I come from, we call it coaching.

I notice you and all the other Angry Deniers continue to duck the Luck question. He has shown no more ability throwing the ball than Tannehill. Is he the bust you claim Tannehill to be? If YPA is the be all, end all stat to predict future QB success then Luck and Tannehill are nearly identical.

 

[WVDolphan]

So please explain how poor line play does not affect a qb's numbers, or bad play calling or drops, running wrong routes and so on. I don't want a random set of numbers I would like to actually hear an explanation how these don't affect qb numbers

Bad line play and playcalling affecting qb play is not a theory

So youre equating a QBs individual statistics with "qb play".

Hmm maybe watch an actual football game and not just look at box scores

Interesting statement considering in the two previous posts youre the one suggesting good statistics = good "play".

 

[Daytona Fin]

According to PFF,

Do you ever come up with your own nonsense?

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

wow Brady completed 4 more deep balls....tannehill really sucks (sarcasm)

These guys are complete clowns. Luck completed ONE more....

 

[dlockz]

I think youre confusing "improvement" with success.

Yes, with all of those things better(OC, OL..... and whos to say they will be better) the other players on the team have a better chance to succeed as an individual and as a team, however that dosent mean their individual skills improve. The QB is who he is. I have a hard time believing a grown man at age 26 will suddenly become better at throwing a football.

I think the areas of Tannehill's game that could potentially improve with hard work are the mental aspects. I think people can become better at say.... reading coverages and things of that nature that involve study time and experience. Physical skills however are different IMHO. I personally dont see how a guy who is a grown man and has been throwing a football many times pretty much every day of his life for several years will all of the sudden get better at it.

Im not confusing success with improvement. Steve Young was a mess as a young qb and all those factors inhibited his growth as a qb. What physical skill does Tannehill not possess. How long have you watched football and you cannot understand how qb's get better ? Hell you cannot make your mind on Tannehill anyway. One day he is a bust , then he is a top 10 qb. You never make up your mind. You blow like the wind on him. You should really recourse yourself from discussion on him because you know its true. Nothing about Tannehill is a physical problem