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Saban Blows It And Cuts Q. Williams?

inFINSible said:
Your liver processes about one shot of whiskey, one glass of wine or one beer in about an hour. It takes roughly three beers, glasses of wine, or 3 shots, to get to a .08 for an average sized man. (185-195 lbs)

A blood alcohol test would be administered as soon as they got back to the station because the police also know that alcohol metabolizes quickly from the body. If it was more than an hour between the initial stop and the BAC test, I'd be real surprised. So, if all that holds true he may have had 4 drinks.

Doesn't sound like he would have been falling down drunk or even showing any signs of intoxication other than a loss of inhibition, sound judgement, and smelly breath. Certainly no where near enough alcohol to effect his motor skills which occurs approximately .10 higher than what he was.

I'm not trying to excuse what he did. he made a stupid decision and he should pay for it in some way but, DUI laws don't make a whole bunch of sense because they don't take into account the level of intoxication when handing out penalties. Someone who gets a DUI and blows a .087 should receive a much lighter sentence than someone who blows a .24.

Sorry for the rant, these kinds of things bug me though.


I generally agree with you, and I'm glad someone else is brave enough to speak up instead of going with the flow of "what an idiot if you do the crime you do the time anyone who drinks and drives is the dumbest person in the world 0.87 BAC is very drunk blah blah blah"

I do disagree with two things, though. One, is there are definitely legal distinctions in place that change the penalty for a DUI based on what the BAC result. I know this for a fact, because my former roommate has had three DUI offenses in his time (one in FL when he was underage, one in a different state while he was in college, and a second one in FL when he was overage and blew a 0.187). The judge has a lot of discretion over the range of penalties he can toss at you, and one of the things he bases it on is what BAC you tested out at. For instance, if you blow over .2 then you get a mandatory interlock device put on your car for at least 6 months that makes you blow into it before you can even drive the car. This punishment is mandatory if you blow more than .2 and is optional if you blow under .2 BAC. My former roommate got slapped with the interlock device because the judge saw that he had a DWI underage offense when he was like 17 or 18 (lucky for my former roommate, they never found out about the DUI in another state). Legally, the judge could not charge him with a 2nd DUI offense, so he charged it like a first offense and ordered the interlock device. In my opinion, there is no problem with how the legal system is set up for DUIs in terms of how high your BAC limit is. There has to be a legal limit, and that limit is set at 0.08, and Williams blew 0.087, so it's not like the DA will say hey he wasn't THAT high over the legal limit I guess we should just let him off. There's no reason they should say that. If anything, I believe Florida is too lenient on drunk drivers. For instance, my former roommate has had three DUI offenses, he blew well over .1 in each offense, and he's gotten them counted as first offenses each time. He did no jail time for any of them. He had his license suspended for 6 months for the first one, had his license suspended for 6 months ONLY IN THE STATE HE WAS IN (he could drive in any other state) for the 2nd DUI, and he got his license suspended for 6 months and had an interlock device for 6 months for the 3rd DUI offense. All in all for the 3rd DUI offense, he paid fines, did community service (and the community service is a JOKE, he probably worked a total of 5 hours and got credited with something like 50 or 100 hours), took some BS course, served a 6 month license suspension (in which he could get a hardship license within a month of suspension), and he had an interlock device on his car for 6 months (which involves installation and monthly maintenance fees). In other words, slaps on the wrist. If you ask me now if he learned anything and whether he'll get another DUI, I will tell you he probably did not learn anything, and he probably will get another one.

Second thing I disagree with, is the notion that you only start to lose motor function at .1 above what Williams blew (0.187). Sorry, but that is absolutely not true. You start losing some reaction time right at 0.08 which is why they set the legal limit there. You lose a moderate amount in the .1 range, and I can tell you from experience when my roommate got tested at the 0.157 (first offense) and 0.187 (third offense) ranges, he was DRUNK. And I mean, DRUNK drunk, as in lost, falling down, doesn't know exactly where he is, etc.
 
ckparrothead said:
I generally agree with you, and I'm glad someone else is brave enough to speak up instead of going with the flow of "what an idiot if you do the crime you do the time anyone who drinks and drives is the dumbest person in the world 0.87 BAC is very drunk blah blah blah"

I do disagree with two things, though. One, is there are definitely legal distinctions in place that change the penalty for a DUI based on what the BAC result. I know this for a fact, because my former roommate has had three DUI offenses in his time (one in FL when he was underage, one in a different state while he was in college, and a second one in FL when he was overage and blew a 0.187). The judge has a lot of discretion over the range of penalties he can toss at you, and one of the things he bases it on is what BAC you tested out at. For instance, if you blow over .2 then you get a mandatory interlock device put on your car for at least 6 months that makes you blow into it before you can even drive the car. This punishment is mandatory if you blow more than .2 and is optional if you blow under .2 BAC. My former roommate got slapped with the interlock device because the judge saw that he had a DWI underage offense when he was like 17 or 18 (lucky for my former roommate, they never found out about the DUI in another state). Legally, the judge could not charge him with a 2nd DUI offense, so he charged it like a first offense and ordered the interlock device. In my opinion, there is no problem with how the legal system is set up for DUIs in terms of how high your BAC limit is. There has to be a legal limit, and that limit is set at 0.08, and Williams blew 0.087, so it's not like the DA will say hey he wasn't THAT high over the legal limit I guess we should just let him off. There's no reason they should say that. If anything, I believe Florida is too lenient on drunk drivers. For instance, my former roommate has had three DUI offenses, he blew well over .1 in each offense, and he's gotten them counted as first offenses each time. He did no jail time for any of them. He had his license suspended for 6 months for the first one, had his license suspended for 6 months ONLY IN THE STATE HE WAS IN (he could drive in any other state) for the 2nd DUI, and he got his license suspended for 6 months and had an interlock device for 6 months for the 3rd DUI offense. All in all for the 3rd DUI offense, he paid fines, did community service (and the community service is a JOKE, he probably worked a total of 5 hours and got credited with something like 50 or 100 hours), took some BS course, served a 6 month license suspension (in which he could get a hardship license within a month of suspension), and he had an interlock device on his car for 6 months (which involves installation and monthly maintenance fees). In other words, slaps on the wrist. If you ask me now if he learned anything and whether he'll get another DUI, I will tell you he probably did not learn anything, and he probably will get another one.

Second thing I disagree with, is the notion that you only start to lose motor function at .1 above what Williams blew (0.187). Sorry, but that is absolutely not true. You start losing some reaction time right at 0.08 which is why they set the legal limit there. You lose a moderate amount in the .1 range, and I can tell you from experience when my roommate got tested at the 0.157 (first offense) and 0.187 (third offense) ranges, he was DRUNK. And I mean, DRUNK drunk, as in lost, falling down, doesn't know exactly where he is, etc.
What a lightweight. :lol:

You're right about the motorskills and such, the chart isn't like I remember it from my personal experiences with the subject at hand. I underestimated the amount of alcohol it would take to get to those numbers.

  • # 0.02-0.03 BAC: No loss of coordination, slight euphoria and loss of shyness. Depressant effects are not apparent.

  • # 0.04-0.06 BAC: Feeling of well-being, relaxation, lower inhibitions, sensation of warmth. Euphoria. Some minor impairment of reasoning and memory, lowering of caution.

  • # 0.07-0.09 BAC: Slight impairment of balance, speech, vision, reaction time, and hearing. Euphoria. Judgement and self- control are reduced, and caution, reason and memory are impaired.

  • # 0.10-0.125 BAC: Significant impairment of motor coordination and loss of good judgement. Speech may be slurred; balance, vision, reaction time and hearing will be impaired. Euphoria. It is illegal to operate a motor vehicle at this level of intoxication.

  • # 0.13-0.15 BAC: Gross motor impairment and lack of physical control. Blurred vision and major loss of balance. Euphoria is reduced and dysphoria is beginning to appear.

  • # 0.16-0.20 BAC: Dysphoria (anxiety, restlessness) predominates, nausea may appear. The drinker has the appearance of a "sloppy drunk."

  • # 0.25 BAC: Needs assistance in walking; total mental confusion. Dysphoria with nausea and some vomiting.

  • # 0.30 BAC: Loss of consciousness.

  • # 0.40 BAC and up: Onset of coma, possible death due to respiratory arrest.

*edit: hit submitt by accident*

Anyway, a 200 lb man would have to drink 6 shots, drinks or 12 0z beers in two hours to reach a .09... and that would drop at a rate of 1/100th per hour when he stops drinking....so Quinton would still be in the slightly impaired range between .07 and .099 even if it took an hour to get to the station and test him. Certainly not DRUNK.

As a person experienced in almost the exact scenario that you say your roomate has gone through I could say with authority that what I blew made no differnce in the penalty phase of the game. The only effect it had was more intensive counciling and aftercare.

Of course, my experiences are over 10 years old so things may have changed since then. I probably should have researched it a little more before I posted. Sometimes my passion overrides my common sense.
 
ckparrothead said:
I generally agree with you, and I'm glad someone else is brave enough to speak up instead of going with the flow of "what an idiot if you do the crime you do the time anyone who drinks and drives is the dumbest person in the world 0.87 BAC is very drunk blah blah blah"

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For those of us that have had someone in our family killed by drunk drivers, like I did with my 21 year old baby sister, its easy to consider anyone that drinks and drives an idiot. It has a way of shaping a strong opinion. Especially every holiday when I get to watch my mom cry and go through all the emotions of losing her daughter. BTW - My Sister was the one that was drunk and she killed herself driving 85 MPH into the back of a parked Big rig on the 71 Freeway in So Cal. The event ruined my Mom's life.
 
This is the most meaningless thread. The guy is a meaningless backup, he screwed up he got cut,

It does not merrit this much air time.
 
fin-atic said:
This is the most meaningless thread. The guy is a meaningless backup, he screwed up he got cut,

It does not merrit this much air time.
this is the kind of post that I expect in the main forum.

This is not the type of post I would expect to find in the premium forum.

Obviously, there are quite a few of us who have posted in this thread that felt like talking about it.
 
I just don't see how a lengthy debate on the scale of blood alcohol, or the social issues surrounding alcohol and drunk driving, have anything to do with football. When it comes to Williams, he screwed up and got busted and then cut. That's where the football portion ends. And when the football portion ends, so does the need for it to be here.

I think debates on social issues belong in the lounge. I come to Finheaven for Dolphin football. So in actuality my comment is in the right forum, this thread is not.
 
fin-atic said:
I just don't see how a lengthy debate on the scale of blood alcohol, or the social issues surrounding alcohol and drunk driving, have anything to do with football. When it comes to Williams, he screwed up and got busted and then cut. That's where the football portion ends. And when the football portion ends, so does the need for it to be here.

I think debates on social issues belong in the lounge. I come to Finheaven for Dolphin football. So in actuality my comment is in the right forum, this thread is not.
This forum is for premium members to discuss whatever they feel like discussing. In case you haven't noticed there are quite a few threads in here that don't have anything to do with the Dolphins or football including the one you started to complain about the commentary on this site.
 
inFINSible said:
This forum is for premium members to discuss whatever they feel like discussing. in case you haven't noticed there are quite a few threads in here that don't have anything to do witht the Dolphins or football including the one you started to complain about commentary on this site.

How about this thread...link....where's the football talk???

get off your high horse fin-atic....DOLFANMIKE started this thread and he poured his heart out in this thread, this thread means something to HIM.....Your comments are a slap in the face to HIM and those of us who posted in this thread.

Who are you to tell anybody else what they should and shouldn't be talking about?

That's all I'm going to say about it. No one wants to see us bickering so what I'm going to do is have respect for everyone else and shut my mouth now.

Sorry, Mike...and everyone else.
 
Hey Mike

I'm so sorry about your sister. What an awful thing for you and for your mother to deal with every year. I have been in that situation more than once (driving with too much alcohol on board). The last time I did it, I couldn't remember the next morning how I got home. I knew I drove, but didn't remember anything about it. Mind you, this was years ago. Ever since that instance, I don't drive when I drink. Though it was years ago, I still thank God that I didn't kill someone or myself on my way home.

Take care and God Bless.

DOLFANMIKE said:
For those of us that have had someone in our family killed by drunk drivers, like I did with my 21 year old baby sister, its easy to consider anyone that drinks and drives an idiot. It has a way of shaping a strong opinion. Especially every holiday when I get to watch my mom cry and go through all the emotions of losing her daughter. BTW - My Sister was the one that was drunk and she killed herself driving 85 MPH into the back of a parked Big rig on the 71 Freeway in So Cal. The event ruined my Mom's life.
 
inFINSible said:
this is the kind of post that I expect in the main forum.

This is not the type of post I would expect to find in the premium forum.

Obviously, there are quite a few of us who have posted in this thread that felt like talking about it.
Well said.
 
njfinfan said:
I'm so sorry about your sister. What an awful thing for you and for your mother to deal with every year. I have been in that situation more than once (driving with too much alcohol on board). The last time I did it, I couldn't remember the next morning how I got home. I knew I drove, but didn't remember anything about it. Mind you, this was years ago. Ever since that instance, I don't drive when I drink. Though it was years ago, I still thank God that I didn't kill someone or myself on my way home.

Take care and God Bless.
Thanks. One of the worst aspects of her death is that My Dad and oldest brother are lifelong alcoholics and have driven falling down drunk many, many times. My Sister was just a kid partying and didnt have the luck of the rest of my family.

Anyhow, this thread kind of evolved into a drinking discussion, but the original post was actually more a post on how folks are quick to judge coaches despite not knowing the details that sometimes go into decisions.

I still like everything that Saban brings to our team.
 
Me too

So far, I'm very happy with what he's done. The only thing I don't like is that I'm hearing that the media is bashing him because he's been so "secretive" (if you will).

We'll see what this season brings.

nj

DOLFANMIKE said:
Thanks. One of the worst aspects of her death is that My Dad and oldest brother are lifelong alcoholics and have driven falling down drunk many, many times. My Sister was just a kid partying and didnt have the luck of the rest of my family.

Anyhow, this thread kind of evolved into a drinking discussion, but the original post was actually more a post on how folks are quick to judge coaches despite not knowing the details that sometimes go into decisions.

I still like everything that Saban brings to our team.
 
Wandered in late to the conversation again...

A question about the original post on coaching and parents. I agree that parents can be a huge problem in sports, wanting exceptions and special circumstances that favor their kids. But there is also a perception that the rules are different for talented players. (insert obligatory RW reference here).

The only reason I bring this up to DOLFANMIKE's point is even in his example he pointed out that the kid in question was a "(non starter....played very little and prob never will)"

Mike, I'm not trying to question your ethics, it was a great post, but there is certainly a perception that your star running back would not have been treated this way.

However, I certainly think there are more bad parents than bad coaches. Part of the issue may be every parent's belief that thier child, no matter how untalented in reality, is going to transform into that star player with just one more shot...
 
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