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Where the NCAA's anti-agent crackdown stops, nobody knows

By Matt Hinton

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There are plenty of fans content to snicker at Florida and Alabama as they fall out of the NCAA's sweeping anti-agent dragnet, and dismiss both as unscrupulous cheaters. In time, the suddenly aggressive-looking NCAA may agree. But Nick Saban doesn't see it that way, and frankly, he resents the characterization – it's not like kids pocketing a few bucks from outsiders is his fault:
"What the NFL Players Association and the NFL need to do is if any agent breaks a rule and causes ineligibility for a player, they should suspend his [agent's] license for a year or two," Saban said. "I'm about ready for college football to say, 'Let's just throw the NFL out. Don't let them evaluate players. Don't let them talk to players. Let them do it at the combine.' If they are not going to help us, why should we help them?"
Saban said he also believes the NCAA should "take schools off the hook" for the actions of agents and players. In the end, however, he points at the former.
"Right now, agents are screwing it up," Saban said. "They are taking the eligibility of players. ..."
Saban knows of which he speaks: Before defensive end/BCS Championship Game MVP Marcell Dareus was implicated in the ongoing Agentpalooza on Tuesday, the Crimson Tide had to endure the agent-related suspension of All-America left tackle Andre Smith before the 2009 Sugar Bowl. The same guy accused of giving Smith money was reportedly sniffing around the program again last year. And the four players from 'Bama, North Carolina and South Carolina that have been specifically, publicly implicated to date in the NCAA's investigation into an agent-related trip to South Beach in late May are only the tip of the iceberg on that trip. A half-dozen more could be right behind them, potentially implicating dozens of players from almost every school in the SEC and beyond.
When you start pulling on those kinds of threads, there's no telling where it's going to stop. MSNBC marketing guru Darren Rovell estimates that, in any given year, at least 50 high-profile college stars are taking money from agents, who consider payouts part of the cost of doing business: "Everyone already knows that in order to consistently land top players, you have to give money or guarantee money to a college player in order to sign him." When a player like former Florida All-American Maurkice Pouncey is accused of taking huge sums for verboten cash before his last game (a charge he's calling "absolutely ridiculous," for the record), the incriminating dots go everywhere: In this case alone, Pouncey's agent is Joel Segal, who once roster of NFL stars includes former Pouncey teammate Percy Harvin and Harvin's one-time recruiting host at USC, Reggie Bush.
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Now, imagine half a dozen guys with that resumé (and two dozen more hoping to build it) looking for ways into your locker room. Bush's lucrative arrangement with New Era Sports was caught because one of his alleged money men went public. But Lloyd Lake was an amateur. As the Bylaw Blog points out, most of them are much better at this:
• Agents are as good or better than college coaches or pro scouts at identifying prospects. In some cases they are two years ahead of everyone else.
• Agents are almost never on campus. Most on-campus contact is made by teams of runners who look young enough to blend in on campus.
• Athletes ask runners and agents for gifts and favors far more often than runners and agents offer impermissible benefits.
• While athlete agents are regulated in almost every state, folks like financial advisors and marketing reps are not. So it’s hard to know who to even look out for.
• Almost everyone out to get a piece of a player, including business and marketing managers and personal trainers is connected to an agent.
Echoing Saban, SEC commissioner Mike Slive said today "it's time to reexamine the NCAA rules relating to agents," not-so-subtly classifying the rules themselves as "part of the problem rather than the solution." Darren Rovell's suggestion for warding off middle men is of a piece with Saban's: Rather than build a fence to keep the pros out, he suggests the NCAA form workable partnerships with the NFL and NBA to regulate and punish offending agents through the pro players' associations.
That is, if the NCAA is serious about trying to root out the problem, rather than reactively whacking the few moles that happen to poke their heads above ground. The heavy-handed reaction to the Bush scandal and the breadth of the inquiries reported over the last week are tentative indications that it is. But if the problem is that deeply ingrained as everyone suggests, and that adept at evolving to (mostly futile) efforts at reform, it's going to take a few deliberate, concerted shocks to the system before it starts to recede.

Damn I hate Saban. Maybe the NFL needs to quit scouting and drafting YOUR players. Lets see how many recruits you get then, huh scum bag? The NFL is the reason the NCAA is so huge now. Plain and simple.
 
How about installing a rule that prevents college teams from raiding NFL teams for coaches? Especially during the season.

Also, Saban called the agents "Pimps" where is the Mike Silver article bashing Saban over this? After all, Ireland is a supposed to be a horrible man for using the word "prostitute".
 
What Saban is referring to is the "runners" that execute this shady, slimeball paying of amateur athletes.... that get off scott free with no punishment... they're names are never even made public for ridicule...

Instead, it's the programs and innocent student athletes left behind that are always punished... that had nothing to do with it.

The same "pimp" that got Andre Smith suspended before the Sugar Bowl 2 years ago, was snooping around the program again prior to the 2010 draft attempting to pay players to lure them to a certain agency for representation on their professional contracts.... this is ILLEGAL...

Saban and the University could have prosecuted him.... problem with that is, it also brings sanctions down on your program... so what do you do?




You stop letting scouts come to your campus and evaluate players all together.... and if enough legitimate programs do it, it'll FINALLY be enought for the NFL to get involved and try to do something to curtail this ILLEGAL behavior by these agents.... College football and programs are sick and tired of paying the price and being put on probation and handed down sanctions by the NCAA for things that are impossible to control... it's time for the crooks actually committing the crimes to get punished....

It's the entire system that is flawed here....


Once there is a rookie wage salary cap in place, and these unproven college draft prospects aren't getting paid $30-50 million before they ever take an NFL snap, then the incentive for these agents to come snooping around college campuses to prey on amateur athletes goes away....

That's the only way to solve the problem...
 
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Ted, I'm glad you're here this morning because I just didn't have it in me to explain this **** to them.

Nick Saban is 100% correct but the majority of this board will not accept it because he spurned us.
 
How about installing a rule that prevents college teams from raiding NFL teams for coaches? Especially during the season.

Also, Saban called the agents "Pimps" where is the Mike Silver article bashing Saban over this? After all, Ireland is a supposed to be a horrible man for using the word "prostitute".


Big difference between referring to a college kids mother during a job interview, and referring to crooks that get away scott free for ILLEGAL contact of an amateur athlete that gets sanctions brought down on programs that had nothing to do with it....

You can't install a rule that prevents Americans from pursuing other job opportunities... Besides, the Miami Dolphins are the ones that came snooping around LSU in order to "steal" their coach.... your windows in your glass house here aren't strong enough to throw stones Nublar...
 
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This absolutely needs to be done for basketball. With the new one and done rule in the NBA, more and more college big time college players are taking benefits before going pro. Something has to be done to protect the universities that don't even know players are receiving these benefits 95% of the time.
 
Other than most people's "jilted girlfriend syndrome" about Saban on these boards,
just what the freak does this have to do with the Dolphins?
 
Ted, I'm glad you're here this morning because I just didn't have it in me to explain this **** to them.

Nick Saban is 100% correct but the majority of this board will not accept it because he spurned us.

He is NOT 100% correct! I agree with what he is saying for the most part..... but like another poster said....... Where is the article spurning Saban for using the word "pimp". Ireland got his for using the word prostitute.
 
He is NOT 100% correct! I agree with what he is saying for the most part..... but like another poster said....... Where is the article spurning Saban for using the word "pimp". Ireland got his for using the word prostitute.

100% correct..end of story..the other is
apples and oranges,..anything else is trying to attach something to Nick..which then we go back to
"jilted girlfriend syndrome"
 
Innocent programs, innocent student athletes, what a crock of sh-t.

The coaches like Nick Saban that get paid $5 million a year to coach a bunch of indentured servants are at least as much pimps as the agents. They're both making money off the backs of the players, but at least the agents are doing so by actually trying to give the players some of the money that they earned but were withheld by a system that is set up for voluntary slavery. God damn those agents, confusing these innocent players with tastes of freedom. What would they do outside of the plantatio-err, college?

Give me a break. College football is a multi-billion dollar industry and all the money goes to the schools run by white athletic directors and white college football coaches (way higher percentage than the NFL, and way less inclination by the powers at be to do anything about it). Literally NONE of the money goes to the players who break their bodies and suffer heart and brain damage in order to provide the revenue source for the schools. What do they get paid instead? Scholarships for an "education" that in most cases is WAY overpriced by a bloated and inefficient University system. And even the bloated and exorbitent price tags of those scholarships, if added together as a cost of doing business, would amount to what percentage of revenues derived from college football? Maybe like 2%, something like that? Yeah, THAT'S awesomely fair.

And you know what, that's fine. I'm not proposing we abolish college football or ban anything. I just don't want to hear disengenuous diseased peckers like Nick Saban whine about agents trying to use players to get paid, after Saban himself just gets home from depositing his $5 million check in the bank. Screw that, and screw him.
 
Innocent programs, innocent student athletes, what a crock of sh-t.

The coaches like Nick Saban that get paid $5 million a year to coach a bunch of indentured servants are at least as much pimps as the agents. They're both making money off the backs of the players, but at least the agents are doing so by actually trying to give the players some of the money that they earned but were withheld by a system that is set up for voluntary slavery. God damn those agents, confusing these innocent players with tastes of freedom. What would they do outside of the plantatio-err, college?

Give me a break. College football is a multi-billion dollar industry and all the money goes to the schools run by white athletic directors and white college football coaches (way higher percentage than the NFL, and way less inclination by the powers at be to do anything about it). Literally NONE of the money goes to the players who break their bodies and suffer heart and brain damage in order to provide the revenue source for the schools. What do they get paid instead? Scholarships for an "education" that in most cases is WAY overpriced by a bloated and inefficient University system. And even the bloated and exorbitent price tags of those scholarships, if added together as a cost of doing business, would amount to what percentage of revenues derived from college football? Maybe like 2%, something like that? Yeah, THAT'S awesomely fair.

And you know what, that's fine. I'm not proposing we abolish college football or ban anything. I just don't want to hear disengenuous diseased peckers like Nick Saban whine about agents trying to use players to get paid, after Saban himself just gets home from depositing his $5 million check in the bank. Screw that, and screw him.


College football players DO deserve to get paid.... the problem is the NCAA doesn't think so... because it's unfair to the students who are attending the school on academic scholarships as opposed to athletic scholarships...

Universities are making money off these kids.... they're on video games... their jerseys are being sold...etc.. yet all the kids get out of it is a free education? Are you serious?

Accepting benefits from an agent isn't a violation.... the problem is that it makes you a professional once you accept them... making you ineligible to play in a game...

THAT'S where the violation is...


You're wrong CK... there's a reason why almost 40 states have laws on the books against this very agent/amateur athlete contact.... but until programs are able to punish this activity and prosecute these guys without bringing undeserved sanctions upon themselves, something has to change...

It's a black and white issue for sure... but certainly has nothing to do with race as you suggest... It has to do with right and wrong.
 
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