Scouts Point Of View

[NBP81]

I would just like to interject here. I keep seeing coaches put their best tackle at lt. Does this count when the lt on james's team was dallas thomas and we drafted him a year earlier?

I'd rather act as if I've never read this...

 

[dlockz]

I would just like to interject here. I keep seeing coaches put their best tackle at lt. Does this count when the lt on james's team was dallas thomas and we drafted him a year earlier?

He was actually moved to guard his senior year

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Kinda strange that of the first round OT's from last year, Justin Pugh from the Giants played the best in his first year. He was considered a reach and was picked at #19. Ya just never know. We can only hope to have the same success with James.

So we should just take reaches since u never know. Also I ask you would you take Pugh over any other tackle in last year's draft

 

[So Be]

He was actually moved to guard his senior year

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So we should just take reaches since u never know. Also I ask you would you take Pugh over any other tackle in last year's draft

No, and No Way. Just found it interesting.

 

[dlockz]

No, and No Way. Just found it interesting.

got ya I figured that was your answer. I still feel they reached leaving a lot of talent on the board by taking Pugh.
One of the reasons I was not happy about us trading up to get Jordan when similar talented players were there when we chose later and we could have added an impact player with our 42nd pick

 

[jlfin]

Still was a higher rated prospect in most eyes than Jawan James . I never thought he would be a bust and on the field I don't think he was a total bust but between the ears quite so.
He was adequate as a rookie at RT, based on a rookie learning curve. He was not good at LT but neither was his replacement last year.
James I think is a decent prospect jusr drafted about 30 picks or more too high. I see him as a potential left tackle at some point. Not sure he will be a stud anywhere on line but should be at the least a swing tackle long term.

I dont agree. This past draft class was much better and deeper at the tackle position. Martin also played LT in college and the LT prospects are generally higher regarded than the RT prospects. For all we know, James would have been graded as a 1st rd talent in the 2012 draft.
James is much better prospect as a RT than Martin and that is what he was drafted for. Additionally, James played against a higher level of competion than Martin and was a 4 yr starter.
Bottom line. For the position he was drafted for (RT), James is a much better prospect than Martin ever was.

 

[dlockz]

I dont agree. This past draft class was much better and deeper at the tackle position. Martin also played LT in college and the LT prospects are generally higher regarded than the RT prospects. For all we know, James would have been graded as a 1st rd talent in the 2012 draft.
James is much better prospect as a RT than Martin and that is what he was drafted for. Additionally, James played against a higher level of competion than Martin and was a 4 yr starter.
Bottom line. For the position he was drafted for (RT), James is a much better prospect than Martin ever was.

There is a reason that LT prospects are more highly regarded than RT prospects because generally the superior tackle plays LT plain and simple. Not sure how James would have been graded as 1st round talent in 2012. Martin also started every year in college but since he came out early was not a 4 year starter.
He was also 2 time all American first team so while the level of competition was not as good he was considered a superior player by far to James in college. at one point Martin was looked at as a possible top 10 pick. Most people had James at best as a late first round pick.
Martin was considered very NFL ready. James is a solid prospect but he had no business being drafted in the first round

 

[So Be]

There is a reason that LT prospects are more highly regarded than RT prospects because generally the superior tackle plays LT plain and simple. Not sure how James would have been graded as 1st round talent in 2012. Martin also started every year in college but since he came out early was not a 4 year starter.
He was also 2 time all American first team so while the level of competition was not as good he was considered a superior player by far to James in college. at one point Martin was looked at as a possible top 10 pick. Most people had James at best as a late first round pick.
Martin was considered very NFL ready. James is a solid prospect but he had no business being drafted in the first round

Martin got pushed around a lot as a rookie, as many thought he would but, did show talent in only giving up 6 sacks, and got stronger in the off season. Then everything turned into disaster. I thought he had more talent when drafted than I do of James.

 

[dlockz]

Martin got pushed around a lot as a rookie, as many thought he would but, did show talent in only giving up 6 sacks, and got stronger in the off season. Then everything turned into disaster. I thought he had more talent when drafted than I do of James.

of course as did everybody. Martin was seen as great value in the second round getting a guy that was considered a 1st round prospect. The exact opposite of James. Now in the end James may be a better player but as far as prospects go Martin was considered the better prospect.

 

[jlfin]

There is a reason that LT prospects are more highly regarded than RT prospects because generally the superior tackle plays LT plain and simple. Not sure how James would have been graded as 1st round talent in 2012. Martin also started every year in college but since he came out early was not a 4 year starter.
He was also 2 time all American first team so while the level of competition was not as good he was considered a superior player by far to James in college. at one point Martin was looked at as a possible top 10 pick. Most people had James at best as a late first round pick.
Martin was considered very NFL ready. James is a solid prospect but he had no business being drafted in the first round

Read my last sentence again.

 

[dlockz]

Read my last sentence again.

I read your sentence and quite understand it, I don't agree he is some instant RT just because he played it in college.
Im judging them as prospects period.

 

[Vol&dolfan]

I not so sure that he is any better bet because he played RT in college. Most teams in college put their best tackle on the left side Im pretty damn sure Jake Matthews would be a top level RT propect and just as ready as James to play week 1 at that position.

Well Jake Mathews did play RT at Texas A&M the 3 years Luke Joekhel was there.

 

[studsatele]

Who cares about martin and where he was projected? He's **** himself totally. Who cares about where James wad projected? Reality is, we drafted him at 19. Consensus is, we reached. Ok fine. If he busts it wont matter where he was drafted. If he solidifies the RT spot, it still wont matter. Players bust all the time. Lets wait till the end of the season to say which way it looks like he went.

 

[dlockz]

Well Jake Mathews did play RT at Texas A&M the 3 years Luke Joekhel was there.

Because Joekel was considered the superior player. That's a good reason he went number two overall. James had undrafted Tiny Richardson starting over him.
Now I don't think Richardson should have went undrafted by any means but both Joekel and Matthews are superior to either player.
Irregardless if he played RT in college he would be a better prospect for either side.
That was also my point when some people tried to say that James was the most ready player to play right tackle when in reality Matthews was just as ready.
Not sure how James is more ready than the Alabama tackle or over the Nevada player. I think James is a decent prospect my main issue is overdrafting him.
I think at some point James may get a chance on the left side.

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Who cares about martin and where he was projected? He's **** himself totally. Who cares about where James wad projected? Reality is, we drafted him at 19. Consensus is, we reached. Ok fine. If he busts it wont matter where he was drafted. If he solidifies the RT spot, it still wont matter. Players bust all the time. Lets wait till the end of the season to say which way it looks like he went.

If he busts it quite matters because you don't just throw away 1st round picks. If he is just a solid NFL player it still matters because that's not what the first round is for. If he is a stud RT well that justifies his draft position.

 

[Krush]

Are you guys just learning about football? or live in perfectville? This kids goes 4 years at RT in college and you say that it's a weakness because he didn't play LT? that is the most absurd comment that I have heard. It's make no different what the fins do you guys with your negative opinions just don't make sense to me. Please let things play out and thing make all of the opinions y'all want, and the coaches probably felt that he was a better RT than LT what wrong with that?

 

[Krush]

Are you guys drinking, Name of player doesn't means success, please move on!!!!!! he (James) was picked 19 live with it, if he's no good then fire his ass and get someone else, when the dolphins was winning at a regular clip, how many quality 1st rounders do you think they had on those teams? not many because they were picking high in the draft, it really depends on the coaching and the player willing to accept coaching.