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Serious question for the anti-Tannehill crowd

So you don't believe Tannehill is even an average qb, at this point?

No. He is sub par and his play shows it. Most rankings(outside of FH of course) have him in the mid 20s range. That is below average. If he could crack the top 15 or so, we would win A LOT with a defense as good as last seasons.

He does have games and sometimes even stretches of games where he plays to the level of an average QB, as well as sprinkling in a game or two where he plays like an above average QB.

But, at least half of his games are sub par. Those are average games for him.
 
even w/o the penalty we have the ball at the TB 45 w/ time for another play or 2 to get into FG range. we got the ball at the same yd line that Ryan got it at except Geno had :34 seconds and trailed by 2, Ryan had 1:42 and trailed by 3. Ryan was an a MUCH easier spot but couldn't get the job done.

You don't know what happens without that penalty. Let's not talk about what ifs. Let's talk about what we know. What we know is that Nick Folk was the MVP for the Jets offense last year and Geno much like Sanchez was never asked to do anywhere near what Tannehill was last year.
 
I am neither obese nor a troll but when you have nothing to come back at me w/ in the discussion I understand the childish name calling.

No thank you. Conversations with you go something like this:

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YPA lmao. The biggest no **** sherlock stat in all of sports. I love the people who clutch YPA and wave it around as if they made some discovery. It's laughable. Jeez, you mean that if an offense gets good yardage for every pass attempt then that will be good? Ya think?

This is a world where stats get twisted and people start actually believing there is a discussion between Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck. There is no discussion actually. Luck has always been better, and always will be better than Wilson. If Seattle tried to trade Wilson to Colts, the Colts would need multiple number one picks and then some to call it even. Watch Luck put together that comeback in the playoffs against the Chiefs. He's an aircraft carrier. Wilson manages the situation. Luck carries you. Wilson doesn't **** it up.

But, yeah, if you are Magellan or Ponce de Leon with some great discovery on YPA, and that's your world, then you see what you want to see. But you aren't seeing reality of football.

When you let stats twist your understanding of the sport, you're losing your analytical ability to see the play on the field. YPA. It's like the stat on rushing attempts per game being a good thing. Again, no **** Sherlock. You're not going to run alot if you are getting crushed. But if you have a terrible running attack, you aren't going to be able to run just for the sake of running. That's letting the stats come before football analysis and it actually works the other way around. If you have a terrible running attack and you rush 35 times for 27 yards, and lose 20-3, you didn't do anyone any service, but someone who thinks rushing attempts are the be all and end all would see merit in it.

Stats and analytics are a tool and can be useful. The minute you start letting it drive you, you're lost.
 
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YPA lmao. The biggest no **** sherlock stat in all of sports. I love the people who clutch YPA and wave it around as if they made some discovery. It's laughable. Jeez, you mean that an offense gets good yardage for every pass attempt then they will have a good passing offense? Ya think?

I'll have you know that some posters on this message board have been dividing a quarterback's yardage by his passing attempts for over 30 years now.
 
Tannehill below average? Only to a hater
 
WIN!

And win when it counts.

A string of 3 or 4 games where he plays above average to good will not do it. I have seen him do that twice, only to follow it up with poor play for several games.

He really just needs to do two things to take his game and this team to the next level. If he would..........

1. Get the ball out. Stop taking sacks every other play. Yea yea OL OL OL OL. Plenty of those sacks were on the OL. But, quite a few were due to Tannehill not having a clue how to manipulate the pocket, avoid rushers, and being indecisive when it comes to his reads. Get the damn ball out. There were plenty of instances where Tannehill had ample time and failed to make a play as well.

2. Start hitting that deep ball. If Tannehill would just connect on a few more of these it will force the opposing defense to respect his ability to hurt them deep down the field. This will open EVERYTHING up for our offense. Hitting the deep ball would result in several more points per game both directly, because of connecting on a long TD, and indirectly, because it will open up the rest of the offense so much.

If Tannehill could just do those two things he could be good. But, I am not sure he can do those two things. I love how so many people assume these aspects of his game will magically evolve. We will see. I do not think throwing a good deep ball is something that will just happen with practice. We shall see.

But, the bottom line is Tannehill needs to win for me to have any faith in him at this point. And as I said, it will take more than just a few decent games in a row. I am not suggesting that he must play well every single game, nobody does that. But, he needs to play well in 12 of 16. That gives us a great chance to win 10 with our defense.

Tannehill's problem is that even his best games do not register in the amazing range. His best games fall into the above average or good range for an NFL QB. This is why we fail to score 30 points. You just can not win that way. With a defense as good as ours it is a shame we do not at least make the playoffs. The efforts of our defense is completely wasted because we can not consistently score in the mid 20's with the occasional 30 point game. It just does not happen. Look at all of the games we would have won last season if we had scored 24 in every game.

Tannehill's best games are above average. He is good for 2 or 3 of them each year over the last two seasons.
His good games are average for NFL standards. Even those games we win most of them because of our defense.
His average games are below average for NFL standards. The sad thing is that because of how good our defense was, we win a good portion of these
His below average games are poor games for NFL standards. We lost a lot of games that we could have easily won if he had just played average for his standards. These are the killers. These are the games he mixes in way too often.

Tannehill gives you 3 or 4 of each of those type of games each season. And that is why this team has not won the last 2 years. He needs to be consistent. I do not need him to be one of the best 10 QBs in the league. If he were just in the upper half and played consistent football, this team would be a contender. Alex Smith would have won a ton of games with this defense last season.

But, hell if Tannehill would just do the two things I started this post with, he likely would be a top 10 QB. He does several other things well already. He is not terrible at anything other than those 2 aspects. He throws a great 10-15 yard out. He could improve down the middle, but I think hitting those deep throws would open the middle up for him much more and give him good targets.

So if Tannehill is going to earn my trust back he needs to win. If the defense plays as well as it did last season, anything short of a 10 win season is a disgrace. Im starting to think this defense could be even better than last seasons. If it is, they may carry us to the playoffs unless Tannehill starts throwing more INTs.

That was a very lucid, well thought out post. Not troll-like in any way. Thanks!
 
If he could just hit a ****ing deep ball to Wallace so I don't have to hear the OP drool out how Wallace should have turned, jumped, flipped, spun, cartwheeled, and shoved a rocket up his ass to catch the ball it's a good start!

One of the funniest posts I've seenin a long time.
 
No. He is sub par and his play shows it. Most rankings(outside of FH of course) have him in the mid 20s range. That is below average. If he could crack the top 15 or so, we would win A LOT with a defense as good as last seasons.

He does have games and sometimes even stretches of games where he plays to the level of an average QB, as well as sprinkling in a game or two where he plays like an above average QB.

But, at least half of his games are sub par. Those are average games for him.

OK, this is exactly why I started this thread.

You say his performance is sub par. He is rated in the 20's you say. Let's look at that....

Yards last year, 10th in the NFL
Yards per game, 13th
TDs, 13th

24 Tds, 17 INT, 60.4% comp. 3913 yds.

No way that equals a 20 rated QB, unless you just say so.

Numbers don't lie. You as a math teacher should know that better than anybody.
 
OK, this is exactly why I started this thread.

You say his performance is sub par. He is rated in the 20's you say. Let's look at that....

Yards last year, 10th in the NFL
Yards per game, 13th
TDs, 13th

24 Tds, 17 INT, 60.4% comp. 3913 yds.

No way that equals a 20 rated QB, unless you just say so.

Numbers don't lie. You as a math teacher should know that better than anybody.

There is more to stats in football Shouright/Gravity!
 
To be fair, raw yards and touchdown passes don't tell the whole story. Part of the reason he had so many yards and touchdowns is that our team couldn't run the ball very well and rarely even tried.

Of course, this also begs the question, would he fare better if he actually had a running game? *several heads explode*
 
even w/o the penalty we have the ball at the TB 45 w/ time for another play or 2 to get into FG range. we got the ball at the same yd line that Ryan got it at except Geno had :34 seconds and trailed by 2, Ryan had 1:42 and trailed by 3. Ryan was an a MUCH easier spot but couldn't get the job done.

you couldn't beat TB, Tb was 0-8 at midseason when you lost to them and of course Ryan had numerous chances in the 4th qtr and the OL wasn't an issue that night.

Again lonely Jets troll, why are you here??? Go find some Jets friends. I don't give flying f**** what you think about anything with our team.
 
Bingo. It just demonstrates that even an average QB could have lead last years team to a ton of wins. Hell, if we win just 3 of those games where the defense gave us a great opportunity to win, that makes 11 wins.
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Here's an interesting stat for you:

We were top 10 in scoring defense, the other 9 teams in the top 10 in scoring defense averaged 11.4 wins. Besides us the Cardinals were the only other team with less than 11 wins at 10.

The year before very much the same story, we were top 10 in scoring defense and again had the worst record of the other top 10 teams.

In two seasons under Coyle we are 5th in scoring defense with only the Seahawks, 49ers, Bengals and Panthers ahead. And those other teams all protect the defense somewhat with good running games.
 
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