Should Philbin have stood by Sherman?

[Dmarino110]

Joes job is to win games. To put this team in a position of winning. Sherman **** the bed. Our offense was awful.

This isn't friendship. this is BUSINESS. People need to stop acting like their running a lemonade stand.

Sherman knew the axe was coming. Philbin knew he had to make a change.

I'm sure Philbin stood by Sherman for as far as he could, but at the end of the day, his job is to win games.

and philbin didnt **** the bed by allowing the plays that were called to be called? you are essentially saying Joe didn't like the play calling but continued to allow Sherman to call the games. if his job is to win games he should have taken over playcalling duties or assigned someone else to do it.

 

[Fins1971]

The league average for rushing was 4.2 yards per carry this year. We allowed 4.1, we were not as bad as you are making us out to be.
The fact that we had 484 rushing attempts against us (2nd worst) is the reason why the run D is ranked so low.
And that falls on the offense only being able to run 62 plays per game (26th). Way to many 3 and outs.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Am I the only one here who thinks it is extremely likely that Mike Sherman fell on his sword?

If Mike had resigned, he would not have been able to walk away with what was left on his contract. By having Joe fire him, he is able to collect the balance of his contract and save his friend's job.

I can't be the only one who believes that the guy took a bullet for his friend, his cousin (Turner) and his son-in-law (Taylor)?

 

[Spiff]

Ross fired Sherman. Joe just obliged his owner. Joe did not want him out.

I'd like to see definite proof before I believe this.

 

[dlockz]

The league average for rushing was 4.2 yards per carry this year. We allowed 4.1, we were not as bad as you are making us out to be.
The fact that we had 484 rushing attempts against us (2nd worst) is the reason why the run D is ranked so low.
And that falls on the offense only being able to run 62 plays per game. Way to many 3 and outs.

And the year before he took over it was 3.7. So we give up basically a half yard more per game. Not sure you made your point that the run defense hasn't regressed.
We had the third best defense per attempt that year and this year we have the 18th that's a pretty big difference.
In 2011 we averaged 5.28 plays per drive and this year 5.32 so in reality I doubt we had any more three and outs than that season.

 

[roy_miami]

It was ridiculous to ever think that Philbin would not fire Sherman if Ross asked him to. That was silly.

Having said that, I wish Ross had fired them both.

Who's decision was it to go with Martin as your LT instead of having Ireland draft one or hire one?
Who's decision was it to make no effort to retain your top RB?
Who's decision was it to bring in a top WR who isn't a great fit for your inexperienced, inaccurate QB?
Who's decision was it to change the offensive roster so that it's geared toward the pass and away from the run?

These are final decisions made by the HC, not the coordinator. Not Mike Sherman. In the end, it's the head coach who MOST molds the team, not the offensive coordinator. Yes, you need a great OC to be a championship team and Mike Sherman is not that guy. So I do think we benefit from getting rid of him. Especially if the new guy is good at working with QB's, which we desperately need right now. But let's face it, this is Joe Philbin's team.

What does Ireland do, like literally what are his job duties in your opinion? Dawn Aponte handles the cap and other duties. Joe Philbin decides which players to acquire and sign (according to you). So fill in the blank here: Jeff Ireland is responsible for ____________

 

[dlockz]

What does Ireland do, like literally what are his job duties in your opinion? Dawn Aponte handles the cap and other duties. Joe Philbin decides which players to acquire and sign (according to you). So fill in the blank here: Jeff Ireland is responsible for ____________

collecting a paycheck

 

[Fins1971]

And the year before he took over it was 3.7. So we give up basically a half yard more per game. Not sure you made your point that the run defense hasn't regressed.
We had the third best defense per attempt that year and this year we have the 18th that's a pretty big difference.
In 2011 we averaged 5.28 plays per drive and this year 5.32 so in reality I doubt we had any more three and outs than that season.

Once again 3.7 per rush means nothing when you give up almost 4000 yard passing and 24 TD's

Passing yards are down this year and so are passing TD's with Coyle. 3750 yards and 17 TD's. But you go ahead and focus on the negative.

That 3.7 rushing D never once helped us beat the Patriots. But the new passing D with bend but don't break did.

Team always attack your weakness. that is why you need balance.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Think about it. The owner comes in and tells you that if you don't fire your offensive coordinator, you're being fired. That means your entire staff is being fired. For Mike Sherman that means your friends are being fired, your son in law is being fired, and your first cousin is being fired. All because the guy signing the checks thinks you did a lousy job and your immediate boss disagrees with him.

You go to your boss and tell him to fire your ass so you can get your buyout and all those people can retain employment. It's odd to me that anyone thinks this happened differently or that this is somehow an indictment of Joe.

Joe's coaching is an indictment of itself, IMO.

 

[jvw]

If Joe felt Sherman was the right guy for the job and the problems on offense were more to do with personnel than game planning, preparation and play calling then he should have held his ground. Take his two yrs of salary and go back to being an OC until the next round of interviews next yr.....by not standing up to Ross he essentially will be at the mercy of whoever they pick to replace Sherman.....I wouldn't give up my job because he is a friend but I would if I felt he was the best option for me to succeed....Munchak new he would get a shot at the Penn St job which is probably what he wanted, by standing his ground he gets the money and his dream job....Tenn should have called his bluff and I bet he would have resigned to take the Penn St job anyways....good move on his part....

 

[dlockz]

Once again 3.7 per rush means nothing when you give up almost 4000 yard passing and 24 TD's

Passing yards are down this year and so are passing TD's with Coyle. 3750 yards and 17 TD's. But you go ahead and focus on the negative.

That 3.7 rushing D never once helped us beat the Patriots. But the new passing D with bend but don't break did.

Team always attack your weakness. that is why you need balance.

Yay we won one game versus NE but yet finished 3 games behind them. That half a yard is a lot in average, if you don't understand that then not much else I can do.
That's like saying its not a big deal that your back now averages 3.5 a carry instead of 4. Yea U focus on all the positives of another non winning season because there are so many. The defense overall got worse.
I mean you can say your bend but don't break defense beat the Pats but the same defense lost to the Jets. The same jets team that 4 times this season did not score a TD in a game

 

[Phinatic8u]

Our run defense struggled due to LB swap.

Also got affected due to the ability of our pass defense. Our pass D was solid this year and teams didn't think it was the smart move to continue to throw against us.

 

[jvw]

Think about it. The owner comes in and tells you that if you don't fire your offensive coordinator, you're being fired. That means your entire staff is being fired. For Mike Sherman that means your friends are being fired, your son in law is being fired, and your first cousin is being fired. All because the guy signing the checks thinks you did a lousy job and your immediate boss disagrees with him.

You go to your boss and tell him to fire your ass so you can get your buyout and all those people can retain employment. It's odd to me that anyone thinks this happened differently or that this is somehow an indictment of Joe.

Joe's coaching is an indictment of itself, IMO.

The problem is that same owner hired you with the ability to pick your staff, now he is changing the rules, makes you wonder what else is he changing the rules on, trust me Joe has lost a lot of his power by being forced to fire one of his coaches, Joe's days are numbered anyways so why not take the money, keep your dignity and not have another poor season on your resume...go back to being an OC on a good team and wait 2-3 yrs for next shot....

You guys talk as if they get fired they will no longer be employed in the league again, that is not the case, the league recycles coaches over and over again....

 

[daniel3]

Just wondering how Ireland and Coyle skate by after their moves and coaching took us from elite run defense to 24th best run defense

Defense performed about same, if not slightly better, as a whole this year. The benefit is we got quite a bit younger and faster. Are you disappointed they're not the 83 Bears or something?

 

[dlockz]

Our run defense struggled due to LB swap.

Also got affected due to the ability of our pass defense. Our pass D was solid this year and teams didn't think it was the smart move to continue to throw against us.

to a degree but the years we are questioning in 2011 teams passed the ball 590 times on us and this year 580 not really a big difference. We were definitely better against the pass this year than that year. We were elite against the run that year and regressed badly this year.