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Should we take the the same approach as the Chiefs

dreamblk said:
Baltimore did themselves no favors. Blatant personal fouls on Mahomes and Taunting calls. They were not disciplined and they are not Champions. Champions are about winning not showboating.
I did not know this about Tyreek but after reading some KC forums he was known for dropping passes in big games. KC was not paying him that kind of money for it being about him. After this season and his constant antics I have soured on him, We need to not consider running the offense through Tyreek. We need to be like KC if we can trade him or get him to restructure so we can get an Oline then that is as close to the Chiefs as I would be in favor of. Time to move on from Tyreek as KC did.
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Tyreek was an amazing weapon for KC and made the play that allowed them to beat Buffalo in the OT game. All he did was make plays in KC, just like in Miami. Anyone who has "soured" on him should look up the definition of "dont know what you got til its gone".
Using KC as an example on how to proceed is absolute folly, they have Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce.
 
Rockchalk said:
Tyreek was an amazing weapon for KC and made the play that allowed them to beat Buffalo in the OT game. All he did was make plays in KC, just like in Miami. Anyone who has "soured" on him should look up the definition of "dont know what you got til its gone".
Using KC as an example on how to proceed is absolute folly, they have Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce.
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They have also had WR issues since he left. It is bad enough that there are articles all over the place today about how the WR with that final catch redeemed himself yesterday.
 
laxcoach said:
They have also had WR issues since he left. It is bad enough that there are articles all over the place today about how the WR with that final catch redeemed himself yesterday.
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MVS... he drops balls right and left. But the point is that the Chiefs may have some "wide receiver" issues but they have one of the top 3 or 4 "receivers" in the NFL, the guy just happens to have TE in front of his name rather than WR. And again, Tua aint Mahomes and McDaniel sure as heck aint Reid. I just think it is silly to look at KC and try to ascertain what may or may not happen without Tyreek.
 
Bumpkin said:
With betting now being allowed in the nfl it has made me realize how important it is to understand the nfl referee tendencies. Each referee crew does the same job but they are all slightly different with their tendencies. Some teams like the Chiefs tend to use this to their advantage. For instance the referee crew for the afc championship has a tendency to call more personnel fouls and more fouls on the home team. The Chiefs understood this and messed with the ravens the whole game and even before the game. They understood if things where a judgement call it would play in their favor.

Mahomes knows which refs to complain to to get those close calls when he is being tackled. The KC wide receivers/ defenders will complain to the side judges about being physical pushing and pulling in certain games.


This approach helps you game plan to know what to expect and what will be allowed. If you know a ref crew will allow you to be physical for 7 yards and not just 2 your safety can be more aggressive. Miami should be using what they know about the ref crew’s tendencies in their game plan. The ref crews are announced early so game planning with them in mind would help
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Whiney ass bitches playing a man`s game anyone whining to officials for penalties should receive a penalty themselves it influences a lot of calls and is bs and one of the reasons i can`t stand guys like Mahomes or Allen
 
The referees had nothing to do with Zay Flowers taunting a player by spinning the ball on him.

The referees had nothing to do with the awesome fumble strip at the goal line.

Or Lamar Jackson’s INT into triple coverage in the end zone.

The Ravens lost because of self inflicted wounds and the more disciplined team one.

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I've heard multiple times in coaching interviews on Siruis XM that there is a segment of planning for the upcoming game that involves understanding who the Referee crew is going to be and understand their tendencies on what they call or don't call. This is a normal practice in the NFL.

Additionally, if the team has something unusual or exotic in their offense that they are going to use or may use in an upcoming game, they will review aspects of it with the refs in advance (unusual motions, ball carriers, formations...etc.) so that the refs are aware and hopefully not find fault with it during the game.

I heard Pete Carroll once in an interview saying he and the OC would review one or two unusual plays with the refs to see if they viewed it as illegal and or would call a motion or formation penalty against it and he said they would give them feedback on whether it would be ok via the rules

I think there is more interaction between the coaching staffs and the refs than people realize
 
Unfortunately, when we take the same path as the Chiefs (holding the offensive receivers) we get called for it most of the time.

The Chief's defense is like Michael Jordon in his prime. They can foul the offensive player and it isn't called and becomes a great defensive play. (For Jordon it was a steal)

They did it to us, then Buffalo and then the Ravens.
 
Fins1971 said:
They did it to us, then Buffalo and then the Ravens.
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Only one defensive holding or pass interference called on the Chiefs defense in those 3 games. The one time they called it Hill beat them for TD and the penalty was declined.
With all the mugging they do?

On the opposite side Mahomes benefited from free 1st down 6 times on similar call against their opponents. That is an obvious difference that give the Chief 2 extra possessions per game.
 
Rockchalk said:
Tyreek was an amazing weapon for KC and made the play that allowed them to beat Buffalo in the OT game. All he did was make plays in KC, just like in Miami. Anyone who has "soured" on him should look up the definition of "dont know what you got til its gone".
Using KC as an example on how to proceed is absolute folly, they have Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce.
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This.

If your team-building approach requires reference to the Mahomes Chiefs or Brady Patriots, stop. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

Mahomes and Brady are likely the two best quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. We don’t have them. We could go another 100 years and not have anyone comparable.

Our team-building approach needs to be based on the assumption that we will not have the best quarterback in the NFL.
 
Rockchalk said:
Using KC as an example on how to proceed is absolute folly, they have Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce.
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No, you absolutely need to look to the teams who are winning with consistency to see what is feeding their success. You don't look too long at Patrick Mahomes because there's only one of him, but there is a lot to learn from how they manage their roster. It's the same with teams like the Ravens and the Packers and the 49ers and so on. If you can't look to those who are succeeding and learn anything from them, then that's on you. The same goes for teams who are mired in failure. A wise man learns much from watching fools.

Marino2.0 said:
If your team-building approach requires reference to the Mahomes Chiefs or Brady Patriots, stop. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
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It just so happens that both of those teams have/had the best managed rosters in the NFL, and there is a lot to glean from how the QBs for those teams also manage those around them. You can't have Brady or Mahomes, but you can seek some of those more important qualities in your next QB. I would encourage that strongly, and the reason why is because it is obviously working for the Packers and 49ers who never seem to be without a QB and always seem to have their next franchise QB on the roster even when they are bridging gaps with other QBs.

There's an edge to be had in this league with how the roster is managed. We're just not taking advantage of it yet.
 
Atila said:
The referees had nothing to do with Zay Flowers taunting a player by spinning the ball on him.

The referees had nothing to do with the awesome fumble strip at the goal line.

Or Lamar Jackson’s INT into triple coverage in the end zone.

The Ravens lost because of self inflicted wounds and the more disciplined team one.

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All the above is true, except the refs were clearly biased for the chiefs. Those awful calls DID have an effect on an INT in the endzone. And a clear as day first down in the redzone that otherwise forced a fieldgoal. That right there is 6 points.

People made an issue about it, and they very clearly had several examples supporting the trend of that referee squad having issues with home teams. Just like that guy who called 8 penalties on Miami and ignored everything on Philly somehow someway messed up 3 other times and was eventually taken off higher profile games. Theres an issue in the league.
 
It took Andy Reid years for him to evolve from exotic play designer/caller to effective HC/GM. He now knows what it takes to build a TEAM designed to win late in the season and into the post season. He recently re-build that defense so it could play with, and stop, very good offenses giving his team a chance to win any game.
 
CANDolphan said:
All the above is true, except the refs were clearly biased for the chiefs. Those awful calls DID have an effect on an INT in the endzone. And a clear as day first down in the redzone that otherwise forced a fieldgoal. That right there is 6 points.

People made an issue about it, and they very clearly had several examples supporting the trend of that referee squad having issues with home teams. Just like that guy who called 8 penalties on Miami and ignored everything on Philly somehow someway messed up 3 other times and was eventually taken off higher profile games. Theres an issue in the league.
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You can quote bad calls on both sides... that awfull tripping in the endzone would of gave a safety... calls go both sides, it's not the refs fault that the ravens couldnt control their emotions
 
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