Smokescreen?

[SF Dolphin Fan]

First things first. It makes sense for Miami to concentrate on building both lines. The average fan can see that the Dolphins has big-time needs in the trenches. It also makes sense to be excited about the quarterback class of 2020. Building a line before bringing in a quarterback isn't a bad idea either.

But, to insinuate that the team is "tanking" to get a top 10 draft pick? I don't know about that. It's possible and it could be accomplished with Fales or Faulk at quarterback. But, there are too many variables that could happen. Players get hurt, you might be "good enough" to just miss out on a top 5 draft spot. You're looking for quality coaches and they hear "tank" and start looking elsewhere.

Could it all be a smokescreen? The team could still take a quarterback high in the 2019 draft if there is one that they are sold on.

 

[Franklin Lucado]

Yes agree I wish they would stop with no quality coach or player wants to stay around for that

 

[susser2000]

I don't believe they are tanking. I think they are going to make cap room by getting rid of large contracts and let the young guys play. They will probably play Tannehill or sign a guy in free agency to a two year deal.

I think they will focus on the offensive/defensive line, because it's been proven that we don't have depth at the positions. They probably believe that these actions will result in a top 10 pick, but I don't see them throwing any games or playing Fales at QB. They still need to sell tickets, so telling the fan base they are losing on purpose wouldn't be a good idea financially.

 

[DPhinz_DPhinz]

Yes agree I wish they would stop with no quality coach or player wants to stay around for that

If they are under contract and younger than 25, they'll stay...

Anyone else should be shipped or shipped for assets.

If I'm Grier, my question to each remaining player is, "Does 4-12, 8-8, 11-5 sound better than 8-8, 7-9, 8-8?"

If the answer is, "No," the next thing out of my mouth is, "You know you just f _ _ ked up right?"

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

To add to that. If Miami is running a NE type offense that relies on quick passes and a precision short-passsi

If they are under contract and younger than 25, they'll stay...

Anyone else should be shipped or shipped for assets.

If I'm Grier, my question to each remaining player is, "Does 4-12, 8-8, 11-5 sound better than 8-8, 7-9, 8-8?"

If the answer is, "No," the next thing out of my mouth is, "You know you just f _ _ ked up right?"

I'm definitely for the young players starting. I'm not in favor of what the Raiders did trading Mack and Cooper. With those draft picks, Oakland won't find equal talent to those guys. So, people who are talking about trading Howard for picks, I wouldn't do that.

As I see it, the team has three outstanding players in Tunsil, Howard and Fitzpatrick. Keep those players, build the lines and then the team has something.

 

[DPhinz_DPhinz]

So, people who are talking about trading Howard for picks, I wouldn't do that.

I never understood that thinking by posters. Why even draft good players of you are going to pinch pennies when it's time? At the same time, I don't like. being held hostage with demands.

I hope it gets done, and Howard accepts that his play needs to continue to exceed his pay...if it's even possible with his new contract.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

I never understood that thinking by posters. Why even draft good players of you are going to pinch pennies when it's time? At the same time, I don't like. ring held hostage with demands.

I hope it gets done, and Howard accepts that his play needs to continue to exceed his play...if it's even possible with his new contract.

The Dolphins have let too much talent leave the building over the last few years. Howard and Tunsil are at very key positions so I just think you build around that. I understand Landry, although with a different coach he might still be here. Same with Ajayi, Vontae Davis etc.

 

[royalshank]

If they are under contract and younger than 25, they'll stay...

Anyone else should be shipped or shipped for assets.

If I'm Grier, my question to each remaining player is, "Does 4-12, 8-8, 11-5 sound better than 8-8, 7-9, 8-8?"

If the answer is, "No," the next thing out of my mouth is, "You know you just f _ _ ked up right?"

You need veteran players too. Just being young for the sake of being young doesn’t guarantee results. We’d be contenders w our current roster if we had Aaron Rodgers or Big Ben or Mahomes etc. I understand the sentiment of the post - just think this can be done more surgically - starting w QB.

 

[Blake the great]

Brace yourselfs, the "smokescreen" posts are coming.

 

[royalshank]

The Dolphins have let too much talent leave the building over the last few years. Howard and Tunsil are at very key positions so I just think you build around that. I understand Landry, although with a different coach he might still be here. Same with Ajayi, Vontae Davis etc.

Vontae at the time was such a dumb move. 9 picks in 3 years, a pick 6, 2 or 3 fumbles - he was our leading takeaway guy and top tackling defensive back in run support. He was about to become a pro bowler and everyone could see it. He was on the cusp. A Jeff Ireland blunder to go w his long list of blunders.

 

[Good_Dylan]

But Ross said it will be a process...things are changing around Fins land and losing is part of the process.
The sad thing is losing has been the process for the better part of 20 years now so what he is really saying is prepare for more of the same. You have to look at what he is really getting at...not what you want to hear. Its sad but true...Miami does not have to try hard to tank, they are 65% there naturally so just a little less effort means 2-14 and thats what he sees ahead.

 

[Digital]

Tanking is a delicate balance. If you tell your fans you're doing that then selling tickets is nearly impossible, and that hurts the bottom line of the NFL, so other owners really frown upon that. Coaches know they're the guys going to be on the firing line for losing, regardless of what the GM and Owner say. Getting someone (Hue Jackson) to accept all those losses is tough to do. And inevitably, once the team turns the corner and starts looking promising, they fire the guy who accumulated all those losses and give all that fresh ammo to a new hotshot coach.

The best tank I've ever seen is the Indianapolis Colts' "Suck for Luck" campaign. They kept playing that incredibly inept QB and just stunk up the joint. Peyton Manning had willed that roster into winning records, and without him the team fell hard, but it was his stand-in who was unbelievably bad that clinched them the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. The fans were so bummed about Manning--the legend--and sad that he was at the end of his career and suffering that neck injury, that they were ready to hold a vigil for him and use those losses as a testament to just how great Peyton Manning was. They wore that 1-year down cycle as a badge of honor as they eyed the next great QB prospect and Peyton Manning prodigy Andrew Luck. Sure, Luck had injuries and hasn't been as reliable as they had hoped … but that tanking campaign was nearly painless! And it was so incredibly effective!

IMHO, that's gotta be the blueprint for the Dolphins. And if it doesn't go right in 2019 and we win too many games to get our franchise QB in 2020, then just stay the course (and starve the coach's resources) to get even worse for 2021 and the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes. So in a way, the Lose-Lose mentality is a Win-Win situation. I know, it's lipstick on a pig, but hey, it's a pig, whatchagonnado?

 

[Good_Dylan]

Tanking is a delicate balance. If you tell your fans you're doing that then selling tickets is nearly impossible, and that hurts the bottom line of the NFL, so other owners really frown upon that. Coaches know they're the guys going to be on the firing line for losing, regardless of what the GM and Owner say. Getting someone (Hue Jackson) to accept all those losses is tough to do. And inevitably, once the team turns the corner and starts looking promising, they fire the guy who accumulated all those losses and give all that fresh ammo to a new hotshot coach.

The best tank I've ever seen is the Indianapolis Colts' "Suck for Luck" campaign. They kept playing that incredibly inept QB and just stunk up the joint. Peyton Manning had willed that roster into winning records, and without him the team fell hard, but it was his stand-in who was unbelievably bad that clinched them the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. The fans were so bummed about Manning--the legend--and sad that he was at the end of his career and suffering that neck injury, that they were ready to hold a vigil for him and use those losses as a testament to just how great Peyton Manning was. They wore that 1-year down cycle as a badge of honor as they eyed the next great QB prospect and Peyton Manning prodigy Andrew Luck. Sure, Luck had injuries and hasn't been as reliable as they had hoped … but that tanking campaign was nearly painless! And it was so incredibly effective!

IMHO, that's gotta be the blueprint for the Dolphins. And if it doesn't go right in 2019 and we win too many games to get our franchise QB in 2020, then just stay the course (and starve the coach's resources) to get even worse for 2021 and the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes. So in a way, the Lose-Lose mentality is a Win-Win situation. I know, it's lipstick on a pig, but hey, it's a pig, whatchagonnado?

But there is at least one on here that swears "suck for luck" never happened...They just happened to be that "Lucky" to be bad that season.
Personally... I believe what I saw that year...a pro team doing nothing to try and win and everything in their power to try a lose.

 

[Dolphins81]

Tanking is a delicate balance. If you tell your fans you're doing that then selling tickets is nearly impossible, and that hurts the bottom line of the NFL, so other owners really frown upon that. Coaches know they're the guys going to be on the firing line for losing, regardless of what the GM and Owner say. Getting someone (Hue Jackson) to accept all those losses is tough to do. And inevitably, once the team turns the corner and starts looking promising, they fire the guy who accumulated all those losses and give all that fresh ammo to a new hotshot coach.

The best tank I've ever seen is the Indianapolis Colts' "Suck for Luck" campaign. They kept playing that incredibly inept QB and just stunk up the joint. Peyton Manning had willed that roster into winning records, and without him the team fell hard, but it was his stand-in who was unbelievably bad that clinched them the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. The fans were so bummed about Manning--the legend--and sad that he was at the end of his career and suffering that neck injury, that they were ready to hold a vigil for him and use those losses as a testament to just how great Peyton Manning was. They wore that 1-year down cycle as a badge of honor as they eyed the next great QB prospect and Peyton Manning prodigy Andrew Luck. Sure, Luck had injuries and hasn't been as reliable as they had hoped … but that tanking campaign was nearly painless! And it was so incredibly effective!

IMHO, that's gotta be the blueprint for the Dolphins. And if it doesn't go right in 2019 and we win too many games to get our franchise QB in 2020, then just stay the course (and starve the coach's resources) to get even worse for 2021 and the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes. So in a way, the Lose-Lose mentality is a Win-Win situation. I know, it's lipstick on a pig, but hey, it's a pig, whatchagonnado?

The Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes will take some work. If he progresses like everyone is thinking, then he will probably be the 1st pick in 2021. I would be fine with going 0-16 to get him. Trading up would be way too costly.

 

[Dolphins81]

But there is at least one on here that swears "suck for luck" never happened...They just happened to be that "Lucky" to be bad that season.
Personally... I believe what I saw that year...a pro team doing nothing to try and win and everything in their power to try a lose.

Lol I agree! It’s not hard to lose. We could bring in jamarcus russell for a season and we would at best win 1 game.