So, was I really that negative...or am I right?

[BuffBillsMan90]

Hey Clumpy............DUCK...

:eek:

 

[MikeO]

Its only one game. Nothing more and nothing less. We may get better or we may not. But it does prove one thing. Maybe, just maybe, before all you homers jump me and others for being "negative" and calling us "bad fans", maybe it has nothing to do with being a fan of the Fins. It has to do with being a fan of the game and knowing the game well enough to be objective and see the trouble. As of game one everything I said:

-Wanny shold have been fired
-Fiedler is not the answer and should have been cut.
-AJ is better, but unproven and green because he has only been a backup
-Gordon may be okay but he is not dominant.
-This team failed to improve its primary needs for two years running, QB and OLine
- And Wanny was making a huge mistake by not naming starters because they could not get any cohesion.

And all through it I stressed that I AM a fan and I just want the team to be successful. What I saw today (I was there...thanks Phinphreak!) was one of the most embarrassing Dolphin teams ever.

I do like AJ better than Fiedler. But if this line doesn't block better, and we can't run then it will be irrelelvant. Because it takes a special QB to carry a team. AJ may be decent, but he is not special.

Lets hope this is the bottom and it goes up from here. I wonder if any of you homers (you know who you are!) are man enough to show up and say "we were wrong!" :shakeno:

God please let this team find itself.

I agree with everything.........except Gordon. The guy was here for what 3 days and he played well. I think he can be dominate and he could be a superstar. He just hasn't had the opportunity yet, he will get it here. The guy was here for less than a week and was better than guys who have been here for years! I think he "can" be dominate and very well might be.

Wannstedt has no clue how to win in this league or build a team. He is too worried about having the players happy and having a good lockeroom. Nobody fears for their jobs (why should they, he has no balls to do anything bold). Everyone is too "safe" in their roles. He has no clue what a good QB looks like. He has no clue that you need to BUY offensive linemen. Not draft them in the mid-rounds and "hope" they turn into something. Taylor Whitley, Seth McKinney, Wade Smith.......all career back-ups who we have starting. Whitley wouldn't even make most NFL teams. We keep drafting Jamar Fletcher's Will Poole's........great, how about a wide receiver? how about a left tackle. We have more CB's than we know what to do with, and if Pat or Sam get hurt, were set. But problem is, we have POOP at about 17 other starting spots and having great depth at DB means nothing for the most part.

Dave's head coaching career in the NFL I think might hinge on next weeks game. That isn't knee-jerk either. An 0-2 start, after this debacle of clearly screwing up between AJ and Jay......and I can't see things getting better and I can see Dave FIRED by October 1st. We will see, time will tell. Better win next week though.

 

[PhinstiGator]

Its only one game. Nothing more and nothing less. We may get better or we may not.

Exactly. It is definitely only one game where our team made too many mistakes against a near superbowl quality team. As you say, we should not read anything else into just one game.

But...

But? There is no but. Remember, it is only one game.

...it does prove one thing. Maybe, just maybe, before all you homers jump me and others for being "negative" and calling us "bad fans", maybe it has nothing to do with being a fan of the Fins. It has to do with being a fan of the game and knowing the game well enough to be objective and see the trouble. As of game one everything I said:

Why so defensive? It's really not about you. It's about the Dolphins.

-Wanny shold have been fired

If Wannstedt was fired, would we have won today's game? Maybe. Maybe we would have won today's game if Ricky didn't go AWOL. It's difficult to say.

-Fiedler is not the answer and should have been cut.
-AJ is better, but unproven and green because he has only been a backup
-Gordon may be okay but he is not dominant.
-This team failed to improve its primary needs for two years running, QB and OLine
- And Wanny was making a huge mistake by not naming starters because they could not get any cohesion.

WOW. Let's put you in charge. You have it figured out.

And all through it I stressed that I AM a fan and I just want the team to be successful. What I saw today (I was there...thanks Phinphreak!) was one of the most embarrassing Dolphin teams ever.

It was a bad performance by Fiedler and others that produced game changing mistakes. This team also showed some heart. If that McMichael catch fumble wasn't reversed I bet you would be less embarressed.

I do like AJ better than Fiedler. But if this line doesn't block better, and we can't run then it will be irrelelvant. Because it takes a special QB to carry a team. AJ may be decent, but he is not special.

This team doesn't need a hero QB. There will probably never be another Marino. But, AJ can be very efficient in this offense. Unfortunately, it may take several games for the offensive line and the timing to improve.

Lets hope this is the bottom and it goes up from here. I wonder if any of you homers (you know who you are!) are man enough to show up and say "we were wrong!" :shakeno:

Every true fan wants the team to improve. We ALL have our own ideas on how to improve this team. In fact, no two people on this message board would assemble the exact same starting lineup, with the exact same philosophy, with the exact same play-calling. That's reality. I can't control any of those factors. What I can do is support this team. If that makes me a homer...then a homer I am. I just refuse to be a Know-it all. Football is a dynamic game by nature. No fan knows it all...no matter how negative they like to be. Predicting failure is not the way I choose to support this team.

Are you really that negative you ask? I don't know you. Ask someone who knows you. You might just be a negative person by nature. Many people are. It's not necessarily a bad thing. It just doesn't take much courage to be negative all the time...imho.

God please let this team find itself.

Amen.

 

[plc001]

Maybe, just maybe, before all you homers jump me and others for being "negative" and calling us "bad fans", maybe it has nothing to do with being a fan of the Fins.

Fin-atic, I've read your posts. It's not that you are being realistic, or even that you may be right that makes the "homers" on this board attack you. It's the fact that you never have anything good to say. You are always negative.

Take Lamar Gordon... you say he isn't dominant. How do you know? You've watched him in one game. He's better then you think.

AJ Feeley, you say he isn't anything special. How do you know? How long did it take for Rich Gannon to come into his own? Grant it, we don't have years to waste on this guy to get his head straight, but at least have an open mind.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Dolphins will struggle to reach 8-8. However, I'm excited by Gordon, by AJ, and the possibility that oline can gell, and we could possibly exceed 10-5.

It's not your realism that wears us "homers" down, it's your consistently painful pessimistic point of view when there are alternative more optimistic perspectives that are equally realistic.

 

[Zeke0123]

Ok I guess mine and every other homers expectations where a bit high for this team for the early part of the season. I did some Math today (gee im smart) we have replaced 7!!!!!!! starters on offense this off-season 7!!! two within the last few weeks at critical positions its is going to take a while for the offense to get into cohesion and I think it will end up better than the 2003 unit... we just have to hope the defense can pull out a few wins until they get their sh1t toghether.

 

[MikeO]

Fin-atic, I've read your posts. It's not that you are being realistic, or even that you may be right that makes the "homers" on this board attack you. It's the fact that you never have anything good to say. You are always negative.

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Not that Fin-atic needs my help. Someone answer this question....

Go back to the last month of last years regular season, and up to today......WHAT HAS THERE BEEN GOOD TO SAY ABOUT THIS TEAM??

He isn't always negative, most "fans" with half-a-brain aren't. Everything around this team is negative. My god, from winning 10 games but NOT making the playoffs, to Marino, to McMichael and hitting his pregnat wife, to Ricky, to Jay-AJ, to keeping Dave around, to we sign McIntosh, no we don't want him, ok we do, to drafting Carey to move him around the line to finally benching him, to O-Gun, to hurricane after hurricane after hurricane. Everything around this team for the past 9 months or so has been negative. You can make a case to find a "TRUE" positive.....you can't! Sure there has been a good signing or a good pick in the draft, but that won't win you games or won't have a BIG IMPACT as much as the negatives I just talked of. That isn't bashing or giving up on the season, or meaning Im not a 'Fan" of this team its facing facts! It's living in THIS world.

We all support the fins, we all want them to win.......but my god. How can you talk positives when there are none! And hasn't been any in god knows how long.

 

[Jeep]

Right now.. there really is nothing to say thats positive...

The O-line sucked.. Wanny totally f*cked up starting Jay.. The team couldnt run the ball.. The defense gave up almost 200 yards on the ground.. Mare missed.. Only two cities was able to watch the game... and a damn hurricane is looming..

But the scoreboard was looking good.. wasnt it? ok everybody.. only talk about the scoreboard..

 

[vt_dolfan]

How do you know???

Its only one game. Nothing more and nothing less. We may get better or we may not. But it does prove one thing. Maybe, just maybe, before all you homers jump me and others for being "negative" and calling us "bad fans", maybe it has nothing to do with being a fan of the Fins. It has to do with being a fan of the game and knowing the game well enough to be objective and see the trouble. As of game one everything I said:

-Wanny shold have been fired
-Fiedler is not the answer and should have been cut.
-AJ is better, but unproven and green because he has only been a backup
-Gordon may be okay but he is not dominant.
-This team failed to improve its primary needs for two years running, QB and OLine
- And Wanny was making a huge mistake by not naming starters because they could not get any cohesion.

And all through it I stressed that I AM a fan and I just want the team to be successful. What I saw today (I was there...thanks Phinphreak!) was one of the most embarrassing Dolphin teams ever.

I do like AJ better than Fiedler. But if this line doesn't block better, and we can't run then it will be irrelelvant. Because it takes a special QB to carry a team. AJ may be decent, but he is not special.

Lets hope this is the bottom and it goes up from here. I wonder if any of you homers (you know who you are!) are man enough to show up and say "we were wrong!" :shakeno:

God please let this team find itself.

Feeley has not even started ONE game for us...how can you flat out say, "He isnt special".

Gordon has been here three days..how can you say he isnt dominant.


I think when people criticize you for being negative, its because you make blanket statements like those, and really have no facts to back them up with. You do not even allow for the posibility that either Feeley or Gordon could possibly be great players. Why? PLEASE>>PLEASE>>>PLEASE do not give me..(in my best pee wee herman voice) that they were third string. Means nothing. Get over it. Both have been productive when playing. Feeley is a NFL QB who has shown to me, that he can be very good....AND HE HAS SHOWN THIS WITH STARTING ALL OF 13 GAMES SINCE HIGH SCHOOL. What could he do with more practice with out first team, when everyone gets on the same page? You say our line cant block...Ill argue they can, and will. Our line has huge upside. We need to win our division games, and the rest will take care of itself.

All of us so called homers saw something in the second half that gives us cause to be optomistic. If you were to blind to see that..its your loss bud. I for one am looking forward to hearing an AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE eat a big pile of crup (a) cakes.

 

[Smithboy]

Far too early to pass judgment on Lamar Gordon. Guy was in Miami for a whole 3 days prior to being thrown into full-time duty after Minor and Morris got hurt. When you can only run a handful of plays because you haven't had enough time with playbook or repetitions with your squad, you can only expect so much.

I think Lamar will wind up being one of the best moves Rick made this offseason. As it will be with everything on this young offense, it'll take time.

 

[plc001]

Go back to the last month of last years regular season, and up to today......WHAT HAS THERE BEEN GOOD TO SAY ABOUT THIS TEAM??

Do you fellas go through all aspects of life like this? I mean, isn't it easier on your soul and sanity to look at the positives rather then negatives?

Good grief, positives:

1 - top 5 defense
2 - top 5 TE
3 - top 10 Wr tandem
4 - Went from an aweful QB in Fiedler to at least an unknown in AJ
5 - Had Travis Minor as a rb, and upgraded with Gordon who had less then a week to prepare.
6 - Oline, while suckin balls right now haven't gelled yet... which leaves room for improvement.

4-6 are unknowns we'll agree on that, but you can not disagree that there exists a possibility to be better then expected.

 

[MikeO]

Do you fellas go through all aspects of life like this? I mean, isn't it easier on your soul and sanity to look at the positives rather then negatives?

Good grief, positives:

1 - top 5 defense
2 - top 5 TE
3 - top 10 Wr tandem
4 - Went from an aweful QB in Fiedler to at least an unknown in AJ
5 - Had Travis Minor as a rb, and upgraded with Gordon who had less then a week to prepare.
6 - Oline, while suckin balls right now haven't gelled yet... which leaves room for improvement.

4-6 are unknowns we'll agree on that, but you can not disagree that there exists a possibility to be better then expected.

Nothing you mentioned equal WINS. Nothing you mentioned will win this team a super bowl. So we have a Top 5 TE. KC has had the BEST TE for years now and where has that got them?

Top 5 defense......maybe by the numbers but not according to most people who follow the league.

Going from Jay to AJ is a positive? I like AJ, but that isn't anything that gets anyone excited.

The things you mentioned are positives yes, but when talking in the GRAND SCHEME of things, they are marginal matters. This franchsie as a whole has had a black cloud over its head for months now. Force feeding positives like Randy McMichael is a top 5 TE (which is debatable) isn't anything that matters in the big picture.

 

[vt_dolfan]

Heres a positive....

Not that Fin-atic needs my help. Someone answer this question....

Go back to the last month of last years regular season, and up to today......WHAT HAS THERE BEEN GOOD TO SAY ABOUT THIS TEAM??

He isn't always negative, most "fans" with half-a-brain aren't. Everything around this team is negative. My god, from winning 10 games but NOT making the playoffs, to Marino, to McMichael and hitting his pregnat wife, to Ricky, to Jay-AJ, to keeping Dave around, to we sign McIntosh, no we don't want him, ok we do, to drafting Carey to move him around the line to finally benching him, to O-Gun, to hurricane after hurricane after hurricane. Everything around this team for the past 9 months or so has been negative. You can make a case to find a "TRUE" positive.....you can't! Sure there has been a good signing or a good pick in the draft, but that won't win you games or won't have a BIG IMPACT as much as the negatives I just talked of. That isn't bashing or giving up on the season, or meaning Im not a 'Fan" of this team its facing facts! It's living in THIS world.

We all support the fins, we all want them to win.......but my god. How can you talk positives when there are none! And hasn't been any in god knows how long.

I look forward to every Sunday..watching the team I have grown up with..play solid football year in and year out. Today I got to listen to my favorite team while holding my first child as he was sleeping. Today I saw a QB who has started all of 13 games light a spark in an offense that has playmakers. Last week I heard Larry Chester say there is no expiration date on the talent on our D. I watched as Rick Spielman NEVER GAVE UP..and put together the best team he could after his frachinse RB let all of us down to go smoke some weed. AND I SAW A DOLPHINS ORGANIZATION DONATE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE RELIEF FUND OF HURRICANE CHARLY VICTIMS. I read about Zach and Jason making the trip over to Iraq to give some much needed inspiration to our soldiers that put their lives on the line every day of the week. I KNOW that this team will ever give up as easily as many of its fans do. If you expect them to keep battleing every week, why is it so many of its fans quit before week one. I know that HALF THE LEAGUE WILL HAVE THE SAME RECORD WE DO after week one. Any more?

 

[Jeep]

Do you fellas go through all aspects of life like this? I mean, isn't it easier on your soul and sanity to look at the positives rather then negatives?

Good grief, positives:

1 - top 5 defense
2 - top 5 TE
3 - top 10 Wr tandem
4 - Went from an aweful QB in Fiedler to at least an unknown in AJ
5 - Had Travis Minor as a rb, and upgraded with Gordon who had less then a week to prepare.
6 - Oline, while suckin balls right now haven't gelled yet... which leaves room for improvement.

4-6 are unknowns we'll agree on that, but you can not disagree that there exists a possibility to be better then expected.

I am gonna be a bit dramatic.. but I think you'll get my point..


Car crash.. the car is totalled, the wife is in the hospital, you got two cracked ribs.. but the tires are in good shape, the radio still bumps and 1/2 of the back seat is in GREAT shape!!!!

What good is looking for the positives if you cant drive the car?

 

[vt_dolfan]

Me thinks...

Nothing you mentioned equal WINS. Nothing you mentioned will win this team a super bowl. So we have a Top 5 TE. KC has had the BEST TE for years now and where has that got them?

Top 5 defense......maybe by the numbers but not according to most people who follow the league.

Going from Jay to AJ is a positive? I like AJ, but that isn't anything that gets anyone excited.

The things you mentioned are positives yes, but when talking in the GRAND SCHEME of things, they are marginal matters. This franchsie as a whole has had a black cloud over its head for months now. Force feeding positives like Randy McMichael is a top 5 TE (which is debatable) isn't anything that matters in the big picture.

You have lost sight of the big picture my friend.

 

[MikeO]

I look forward to every Sunday..watching the team I have grown up with..play solid football year in and year out. Today I got to listen to my favorite team while holding my first child as he was sleeping. Today I saw a QB who has started all of 13 games light a spark in an offense that has playmakers. Last week I heard Larry Chester say there is no expiration date on the talent on our D. I watched as Rick Spielman NEVER GAVE UP..and put together the best team he could after his frachinse RB let all of us down to go smoke some weed. AND I SAW A DOLPHINS ORGANIZATION DONATE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE RELIEF FUND OF HURRICANE CHARLY VICTIMS. I read about Zach and Jason making the trip over to Iraq to give some much needed inspiration to our soldiers that put their lives on the line every day of the week. I KNOW that this team will ever give up as easily as many of its fans do. If you expect them to keep battleing every week, why is it so many of its fans quit before week one. I know that HALF THE LEAGUE WILL HAVE THE SAME RECORD WE DO after week one. Any more?

Yes, Zach and JT went to Iraq and that is a positive that is on par with Ricky retiring as a negative :shakeno: :shakeno: :shakeno: . Which means more for the Dolphins winning games in 2004. Please people