Sources: Ireland suggested that Martin confront Incognito physically

[ohall]

Did you guys ever read what Charles Haley would do to players in the locker room during his days as a Cowboy?

Did any of his team-mates bring it to the media?

No but they were men.

 

[ohall]

You tell your kid to stand up and punch a bully, you don't tell the agent of a player that the player should "punch" the bully. Shows complete lack of awareness from Ireland. Even worse the fact that he didn't confront Cog over it or just let him know to tone it down is terrible.

When Ireland admits he said that in the tone they are implying or I hear audio of it I wouldn't believe the Martin side of this if they told me the sky is blue.

 

[TheWalrus]

Jeff Ireland's name may be in the header but this development -- if true -- is all about Joe Philbin. Somehow only Walrus picked up on that. Philbin hasn't left any wiggle room at all. Everything he's said stresses that Martin didn't have any specific complaint leading up to the departure, or within the days afterward. The media will be all over Philbin if this Ireland story turns out to be accurate. Ireland will be a sub plot. I'm sure certain posters here would desperately pick apart Philbin's words, looking for an escape, but the media and anyone with a fleck of sensibility would laugh them out of the room. Philbin's underlying theme was crystal.

If Philbin didn't know about Ireland's involvement, then Ireland watched Philbin mislead the public and the press for several days, apparently hoping his role wouldn't surface.

This is the first twist that makes me think both of them could be in jeopardy, although I still think it's the favorite that at least Philbin will return.

Let's see how Ireland handles this, if he aggressively confronts the story or takes the Incognito approach and hides in the background as soon as he looks vulnerable.

Maybe Philbin and Ireland should hold a dual presser, with Ross providing the introduction. Let's display our brain trust to the country instead of confined to our little knitting group.

It makes me appreciate Donna Shalala and Al Golden, who were superb during the NCAA theatrics. Different caliber.

And what makes it worse is that this is basically the only thing Philbin has been specific about. At all. He laid out a very specific timeline in that first press conference... and then punted every other question to an investigation which wouldn't even have anyone to run it for three more days.

When you only come out and say only one thing, you better be damn right about that one thing. It's like George H.W. Bush in 1988. If his campaign had been about five things -- and not raising taxes was simply among them -- then it wouldn't have been such a big deal he later raised taxes. I don't think we've seen a campaign since then that had such a monomaniacal focus on one promise, and for good reason. It will come back to haunt you.

Yet another example of how the Dolphins' media strategy continues to backfire. I understand there are legal ramifications to divulging details in this matter, but if that's going to be the strategy then don't try and get cute by sneaking in a little PR move too and hoping that it won't become the focus of every revelation that comes after it. Either be candid or don't say anything.

It seems like people spend too much time deferring to the lawyers in these cases sometimes. This case won't be fought in front of a judge or even a federal mediator. It's being fought, right now, in the media. Someone will win the media battle and the other side will be forced to capitulate well before any of the hairy legal shenanigans.

Of the four main parties involved -- Martin, Incognito, the Dolphins organization, and Dolphins players -- only the Dolphins organization and Incognito don't seem to realize this. Is it any wonder they've been on the back foot every day of this with the possible exception of yesterday afternoon, and that the only thing that's made Martin look bad was an aggressive PR campaign by the players themselves against the explicit orders of their coach?

 

[JTC111]

I believe in the state of Florida it"s illegal to record another persons conversation without their consent

I don't believe you can, legally. Florida has the "two-party consent" law. But I'm no legal expert.
http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/florida-recording-law
So it basically comes down to, he said he said.

You can't record someone else on the phone without their permission.

Florida law applies only if both parties are in Florida when the call is made and recorded. If the agent called from NY or any of the 38 states where we have one-party consent, recording the call would be legal.

 

[TheJetsBlow]

Ireland's actually right, Martin should've handled his business if he felt he was being pushed around. By no means am I an Ireland fan, but I don't disagree with him at all.

 

[roy_miami]

Florida law applies only if both parties are in Florida when the call is made and recorded. If the agent called from NY or any of the 38 states where we have one-party consent, recording the call would be legal.

Even if it is illegal would it be admissible in a civil suit or would the punishment of incriminating yourself outweigh whatever you gain from the lawsuit?

The agent would probably have the most to lose but I guess even if there is just a shred of evidence he's been recording phone conversations with GMs without their consent then his career is probably over anyway so he might as well go all in at this point.

 

[Hayden Fox]

Prove it.

 

[finomenal]

IF this is true, what a moron. People look at fights as such a little thing. This isn't TV. In comparison to the animal kingdom, humans are very easy to kill. Punch or kick someone in the wrong place too hard and you can kill them. Especially when you're talking about two 300+ pound beasts. Then all of a sudden you have a manslaughter charge on your hands.

 

[JTC111]

Even if it is illegal would it be admissible in a civil suit or would the punishment of incriminating yourself outweigh whatever you gain from the lawsuit?

The agent would probably have the most to lose but I guess even if there is just a shred of evidence he's been recording phone conversations with GMs without their consent then his career is probably over anyway so he might as well go all in at this point.

The issue of a recording existing is mere speculation from this board, not from any news source that I've heard. I'd rather not feed the rumor mill any further by speculating about 2nd generation hypotheticals.

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Prove it.

Prove what?

 

[z926538]

Funny thing I actually agree with Ireland on this one, Martin should have done something about it. Still a GM cannot tell gives his opinion on this matter & should have approached Richie & the coaches about it. If this is true talk about a meat head of a GM. Buh-Bye Mr. Ireland.

So, if this story is true then Ireland's advice to an employee whose legal representative came to him with a Hostile Workplace concern was that the employee deal with the situation by committing a crime: assault and battery. That's going to go over real well in court. It is becoming more and more clear everyday that the NFL considers itself to be above the law, a law unto itself. This is not going to turn out well for the Dolphins or the NFL.

 

[bcsupratt]

I actually agree with Ireland. If someone is "bullying" you....be a man and stand up for yourself! This is FOOTBALL people, smh. THIS isn't an office job.

People will run with the smallest of the truth or context in EVERYTHING.

 

[dlockz]

This is a unique twist. I guess we shall all see in the end but obviously the Fins Management felt that Incoginito was wrong in one way or another because they suspended him. If said that then I believe he will be fired because no team wants that kind of bad publicity esp from a GM that has not fielded a winning team since 2008. Its also not the first time that Ireland would have been unprofessional as our GM. He has asked unprofessional questions in draft interview and called a fan an *******. The one thing both of these have in common is he did admit he was wrong in both matters.
So lets see what he has to say on this subject which is really a hot button now.

 

[bcsupratt]

This is a unique twist. I guess we shall all see in the end but obviously the Fins Management felt that Incoginito was wrong in one way or another because they suspended him. If said that then I believe he will be fired because no team wants that kind of bad publicity esp from a GM that has not fielded a winning team since 2008. Its also not the first time that Ireland would have been unprofessional as our GM. He has asked unprofessional questions in draft interview and called a fan an *******. The one thing both of these have in common is he did admit he was wrong in both matters.
So lets see what he has to say on this subject which is really a hot button now.

I think they HAD to suspend him for the racial slur in the message. Even if they are on his side(they obviously have a better grip on the situation than the public does) they HAD to suspend him for that.

 

[dlockz]

I actually agree with Ireland. If someone is "bullying" you....be a man and stand up for yourself! This is FOOTBALL people, smh. THIS isn't an office job.

People will run with the smallest of the truth or context in EVERYTHING.

No offense but that still pure ignorance, its still a job and a damn general manager is not supposed to dole out advice like that when a matter is brought to his attention. We dont know if it happened but this is still a job and advocating an assualt is not what he is there to do.

 

[bcsupratt]

No offense but that still pure ignorance, its still a job and a damn general manager is not supposed to dole out advice like that when a matter is brought to his attention. We dont know if it happened but this is still a job and advocating an assualt is not what he is there to do.

AGAIN....CONTEXT....were you on the other line listening in on that conversation??

In the end, no one will know until the investigation is over