GoonBoss
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You probably wouldn't know a good leader if he grabbed you by the nose.
Sports Buzz: More national criticism, questions about Philbin
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You probably wouldn't know a good leader if he grabbed you by the nose.
GoonBoss
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Doesn't fit the present narrative.
Of course Sapp did that same thing. He's a nasty person and football player, and I'm not mad at him for it.
But lets not pretend that the Dolphins are somehow more guilty.
tl77
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agreed! haha but ya, I'm pretty sure the trade was after the first Bills game. And speculation was he was brought in because of Clabo's struggles, not Martin. Funny enough Clabo turned his season around shortly after this.
You probably wouldn't know anyone if he grabbed you by the nose. Except your boyfriend.
Well, for exact details you should probably ask an expert. That would be Don Shula, and certainly not Joe Philbin. Sent Don an email, maybe he'll reply.
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IF Joe did in fact tell players to respect each other and they did not…well, it shows you how much they listen to their coach's words.
Joe needs more players that respect him or happen to be self-starters.
Joe needs more players that respect him or happen to be self-starters.
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"They were either complicit, incompetent or both.”
I said this the other day...and i don't know which one is worse in this case...I really feel that if philbin knew as little as people here say he did he is incompetent to the highest order and has no business being a head coach in the NFL...
so which is it, are they covering up for him or is he that incompetent...
I said this the other day...and i don't know which one is worse in this case...I really feel that if philbin knew as little as people here say he did he is incompetent to the highest order and has no business being a head coach in the NFL...
so which is it, are they covering up for him or is he that incompetent...
Don't care about the perception of Joe, or his pulse on the team....I only care about wins, he is in year 3...I would say his last chance with the phins. The make the play-offs...all is well, they miss....then they can hit reset and the team is where we are now.
The idea that the HC is supposed to police players' personal lives is ridiculous. Even Harbaugh had no idea of Martin's predicament, and his bout with depression goes back to his college days under Harbaugh. I think its fair to say that the people who think Philbin should be held accountable are the same people who didn't like Philbin before this scandal erupted. That's all I got for this joke of a thread.
I don't think it is as simple as that. You ignore the fact that it is entirely possible and likely true that there were Joe was not made aware of this even though he could actually be very in tune to what was going on with the team. Consider this...
* Martin did not tell anyone he was having issues
* Martin went along with the behavior and pulled some of the same stunts on other people
* The other O-linemen were doing the same thing
* The o-line coach was acting in the same way
So....what were they supposed to report? They were all doing the same thing and they all thought (except Martin apparently) they weren't doing anything wrong? By outward appearances, this is a loose, fun loving group.
Wasn't it obvious from the reactions that nobody knew this was an issue until Martin finally imploded?
I get not being happy with Philbin because of coaching.........but lets be realistic here, the other players on the Dolphins had no idea this was an issue either.
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Who is Philbin again? Is he the guy that just throws the red flags during the games and always looks stunned and befuddled on the sideline?
How did your beloved Mangini handle the fact that his QB Bret Favre was sexually harassing a reporter in the locker room and via text messaging? How did Harbaugh not know about Martin's documented depression while at Stanford? Coaches aren't big brother.
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My dad was a cop...it took him all of 5 seconds to look in my bother's car window 1 time see seeds on the floor and pull his tag...he is a details man...he is anal...
I watched hard knocks...I saw a man who was detail oriented to the point of being ANAL and obsessive...that man knows every single thing that goes on in his locker room because that is the type of person he is...did you see him picking up paper off the locker room floor? he sees everything and to think that he didn't see this is putting your head in the sand...
he was given a wash in the report because the report is complete and utter garbage...it was designed to paint martin as the victim, incog as the evil man with the mustache tying martin to the rail road tracks, and jerry and and pouncy as his two side kicks that did less than incog because he was the evil mastermind...then way out in left field, philbin was not aware...
complete garbage...just say philbin was complacent in it and he got away with it and stop acting like the man is a saint...because not knowing is worse for his image than knowing and doing nothing...
Honeyb - It's not an original line, it comes from a Woody Allen movie, Zelig about a human chameleon, who disappears for a period and everyone is concerned and then they show Woody performing in the mariachi band. Ironically, when Zelig meets with a group of psychiatrists, he behaves like a psychiatrist. J-Mart is our Zelig. He blew up to 312 lbs and he behaved like an O-lineman when he was in their company. He only escaped his human chameleon character when he found love (ironically Mia Farrow).
Thank you for recognizing a feeble attempt at humor in this very sad episode.
Thank you for recognizing a feeble attempt at humor in this very sad episode.