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Who cares if spragan is not like morlon greenwood.We should just start our future linebacker Channing Crowder.
 
LarryFinFan said:
Spraghan is a little better than Greenwood. Greenwood was serviceable, but not spectacular. Spraghan is serviceable but will make a few more plays on the outside than Greenwood did. Moore is small and fast, like Wanny wanted his LBers and does not fit into the style of LB that Saban likes. He'll struggle playing OLB in Saban's style of D. I look to see him still in a backup role when all is said and done. He would have done better as a MLB or OLB in the JJ/Wanny defense. BTW, I wouldn't call him injury prone. He had a serious injury his first season, but was reasonably healthy last year. Jenkins is, at best, a good STer.

Crowder is the X factor for our LBers this year. If he develops into the beast that he was in college quickly, he'll be the OLB spelling (and eventually taking more and more time away from Jr) Seau. If he takes longer to develop...it could be a longer year for us. Seau was a great LB and is suited to playing the role Saban wants him to, but could be somewhat fragile and has lost a step. The good thing is that in Saban's D, he doesn't have to be "fast", and can use his experience to overcome the lost step.

My question is how will Zach fare this year. He is a great MLB in the JJ/Wanny D, but not suited to the Bruschi role with Saban. He'll get lost in the flow. Saban wants his LBers to move up and take on bigger linemen, TEs and FBs. Kevin Maewae (sp) has proven that Zach can be had in that role. Saban is, however, great at adjusting his style of D to his players and adjusting his D to the particular mode in which it is being attacked by opposing teams. Hopefully will devise a scheme that takes advantage of Zach's ability while still getting the additional pressure on the OL, backs, and QB that Saban desires.
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Can someone give me a link to the kind of players Saban likes..everyone uses the phase "what Saban likes", I want to get caught up with this. I've only seen him draft and sign the normal prototype players most teams do. So if he has a certain style I'd like to know. So if there's info out there that says what type of player is interested in, I'd like to see it. Anyone please..this post wasn't directed at this poster only, but a number of people who used the "style of (position) that Saban likes", comment.
 
enigmatics said:
No.

Is seasons prior, Greenwood filled in for Zach when he was hurt.
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I've been a season ticket holder for over 10 years, and I can't recall Greenwood ever playing MLB. Can you confirm this with any proof???...

He's simply just not a playmaker, however his game is solid. Again, not a playmaker, but solid.
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"Not a playmaker" is all I needed to hear. You need "playmakers" at every LB position if you expect to play stout defense. His mediocrity was clearly obvious to me....

Stop hating on the guy. It makes you look spiteful.
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I don't hate the guy, I don't even know him. I still think he's a below average OLB...

PHINZ RULE!!!
 
MDFINFAN said:
Can someone give me a link to the kind of players Saban likes..everyone uses the phase "what Saban likes", I want to get caught up with this. I've only seen him draft and sign the normal prototype players most teams do. So if he has a certain style I'd like to know. So if there's info out there that says what type of player is interested in, I'd like to see it. Anyone please..this post wasn't directed at this poster only, but a number of people who used the "style of (position) that Saban likes", comment.
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That's a really good question. None of his drafts picks were out of the accepted norm for a particular position.
 
MDFINFAN said:
Can someone give me a link to the kind of players Saban likes..everyone uses the phase "what Saban likes", I want to get caught up with this. I've only seen him draft and sign the normal prototype players most teams do. So if he has a certain style I'd like to know. So if there's info out there that says what type of player is interested in, I'd like to see it. Anyone please..this post wasn't directed at this poster only, but a number of people who used the "style of (position) that Saban likes", comment.
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Saban likes Bigger lbs, 6-3 to 6-5 in height (see Spragan and Crowder) as opposed to DW who preferred smaller quicker lbs see ZT, Moore, Pope, Ayangedejo, and even Bua who DW wanted to play LB.....
 
Spragan is supposed to be an upgrade over Greenwood. As already said the guy didn't set the world on fire, yet, is being overpaid...we would have never paid him that. Reminds me a little of the Todd Wade situation. An okay starter. Not a lot of upside.
 
phillyphinphan said:
Saban likes Bigger lbs, 6-3 to 6-5 in height (see Spragan and Crowder) as opposed to DW who preferred smaller quicker lbs see ZT, Moore, Pope, Ayangedejo, and even Bua who DW wanted to play LB.....
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See I also heard\read Saban said that relative to size he'd also take a player that was a pure football player, even if he doesn't have the protypical NFL size for his position...he indicated the right heart and skill set to me. Now does that mean he would draft or sign a 5' 6' guy who weights 130 lb's to play NT, no, as most teams wouldn't, but would he draft or sign a guy who's 290, 6' 2" who has proven that on the div 1 level he can dominate, I think he would. Ergo, is it football players he's looking for, or is it measurables that may not prove productive that he wants. Again, you said he likes as though you know personally, and my question is, is there a place we could get that type of info from..is it in his book or what?
 
^true its also about being a good football player... saban also likes big DEs yet drafts roth...

if a non-prototypical saban player is playing better than a saban sized guy, hes gonna go with the guy playing better... size is a preference for him, but doesn't me he wont use anyone who doesn't fit his mold
 
MDFINFAN said:
See I also heard\read Saban said that relative to size he'd also take a player that was a pure football player, even if he doesn't have the protypical NFL size for his position...he indicated the right heart and skill set to me. Now does that mean he would draft or sign a 5' 6' guy who weights 130 lb's to play NT, no, as most teams wouldn't, but would he draft or sign a guy who's 290, 6' 2" who has proven that on the div 1 level he can dominate, I think he would. Ergo, is it football players he's looking for, or is it measurables that may not prove productive that he wants. Again, you said he likes as though you know personally, and my question is, is there a place we could get that type of info from..is it in his book or what?
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Yeah I said "He likes", so what?? I don't have a dam link & I don't have his effn book. And I could care less. Saban, from everything I've READ, likes to run 3-4 defense at least some of the time. The 3-4 defense calls for taller lbs b/c they'll be taking on O linemen alot more than lbs in a 4-3. J cole form the herald stated in an article or his Q&A that he (Saban) prefers taller lbs as opposed to smaller quicker ones and if you look at the moves he made I have no reason to believe Cole was mistaken in his comments. I have neither the time or want to look for a link supporting this and could care less if you believe what I write or not. this ins't groundbreaking info here. what does he place a higher importance on ie heart or measurables? don't know and never stated that I did. being that there are exceptions to every rule he prob. looks at both. The point your'e trying to prove is weak....
 
DolphinDevil28 said:
Ok, why not?

Both are extremely athletic and good tacklers. Both were projected as MIKE's, but due to present rosters, played at SAM's because of their talent.

How are they different?
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I agree. We bills fans should be able to compare JP to Farve. :huh:
 
arsenal said:
^true its also about being a good football player... saban also likes big DEs yet drafts roth...

if a non-prototypical saban player is playing better than a saban sized guy, hes gonna go with the guy playing better... size is a preference for him, but doesn't me he wont use anyone who doesn't fit his mold
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Uh-ohh, you said "Saban" and "likes" in the same sentence. This cat (MD) is prob. gonna ask for a link or a fax or microfiche or something....
 
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