Stephen Ross is the real problem

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  1. Trade Viper

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    Well, the owner is responsible for the quality of the GM, and Coach, while the GM and Coach are responsible for the quality of the team. GM, for logical contracts and the draft, along with input from the coach. The coach is directly responsible for the product on the field, the fact that the players can't or will not play at a high level, is the coaches fault, GM picked 'em and the coach coached or didn't coach 'em. Players should know if they don't give their best effort they will be gone. Whom by the way hired the coach, and GM? Mr Ross, so I leave the dead rat on Mr Ross's porch. Now that having been said, I don't blame him 100 percent, I think he could become a top owner, but he has to figure out a way, to attract bright and innovative minds to the Fins, not stinky old worn out socks, and people who are out of their depth, if he doesn't, well this could go on another decade

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  2. Highzenga

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    This thread is a completely false narrative IMO. You couldn't wish for a better Dolphins owner. Yes, the whole Sparano/Harbaugh thing looked bad but he took a swing at one of the best coaches in the world and even tried to have Harbaugh convince Luck to force a trade to Miami. I agree that Ireland & Philbin should have been fired a year before they were but at least Ross gave them a chance to succeed. If anything he's loyal to a fault which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Ross is willing to spend whatever it takes and tries to land the big fish whenever they become available. On top of that, he stays out of the way and even paid out of his own pocket to completely renovate our stadium. What else could you possibly want out of an owner?
     
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  3. Highzenga

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    Wayne was a crap owner? The man hired Jimmy Johnson, Nick Saban, & Bill Parcells. While this didn't result in a Super Bowl, these are 3 of the greatest living football minds that exist and that cannot be disputed. You are playing the result my friend. Wayne & Ross have both tried to hire the best possible people at every level. We have failed because we haven't drafted well since JImmy. It's as simple as that.
     
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  4. Phinatic8u

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    When did ask Harbaugh to make Luck force a trade to Miami?
     
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  5. CaSh

    CaSh Nothing bigga than the B

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    The owner of the team is not the problem:biggrin
     
  6. BobDole

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    He's not a football guy. Never was. He needs people who know what they're talking about to give him input. I've yet to see it to the level I'd be comfortable with.

    The celebrity owners made a ton of sense and resulted in many positive things for the team ... errrrrr ...

    It is good he paid for the stadium out of his own pocket. But wasn't that after he tried to get the city to pay for it, that was already throttled by the marlins stadium? And didn't he pitch quite the bitch about having to pay for HIS stadium out of HIS pockets? I believe he did. I guess that counts as 'good' ...

    Losing home games to London is always pretty awesome. Nothing like waking up early and watching your team get thwomped to give you a bounce in your step the rest of the day.

    Don't even get me started on the that used car salesman Tbum ...

    Extending bad hires is never a good look, as previously stated.

    Seriously, shall I go on? It doesn't make him good just because he's better than some of the terrible owners out there. Comparing him to Spanos is basically the same thing as saying 'at least we're not the Browns!'. Do useless sentiments like that make you feel better? Well they shouldn't. Last I checked the decisions made by the current owner haven't resulted in a single playoff win. Your standards have fallen through the floor and you're happy with paper baggin fatties. Congratulations finheaven.
     
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    Personally I think Gase was a great hire, regardless of how he turns out. You can't predict the future and Gase had good credentials with good potential reward. I'm not happy with Gase this year, at all, and if he continues with this terrible play-calling and the team implodes, and we keep him here longer than a couple years, that I will definitely blame Ross for.

    Tannenbaum on the other hand is by far the worst move he's ever made. Worse than keeping Sparano around, worse than keeping Ireland around, and worse than keeping Philbin around. Not only did he bring in the worst GM in the NFL (considering he wasn't a GM anymore until Ross stupidly gave him the job), we brought him in to replace the one decent GM (Hickey) we've had in the past decade. Somebody seriously needs to slap him silly and tell him to find somebody competent to lead this organization.
     
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    If you think Ross isn’t the problem you’re either blind deaf or dumb. Everything he has done here has been wrong. Except MAYBE for Gase. Take off your homer glasses and it’s easy to see that this ******* has kept us Cleveland south since he arrived.
     
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    These people sound absolutely ridiculous. Ross isn't the problem, the problem are all the people he hired, extended and took too long to fire? Lmao what a joke
     
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    In the same meeting where Ross tried to hire Harbaugh
     
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    Not sure what you expect out of an owner. He is not the GM.
     
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    What NFL owner is a "football guy"? These are billionaires. Who cares about the celebrity owners? Of course, he tried to get the county to pay for the stadium. Wouldn't you in his position? Honestly, I think TBaum has done a fine job thus far. Not sure exactly what you want an owner to do? If he lets his people do their jobs and is willing spend money what more do you want? I'm curious what you would have done as the Dolphins owner?
     
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    I want his decisions to translate into wins. I don't want to continue to be a laughingstock. I want to have hope for the future of the franchise. Don't really need to put this one under a microscope.

    As for what I would've done ... that's a really long post. It includes tearing down the current stadium instead of the very expensive band aid, not changing the logo, and hiring the right people for the staff.
     
  14. Snoop

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    Yet another public embarrassment/scandal during his time owning the team.

    -Line coach doing lines
    -Bullygate
    -Timmons AWOL
    -Ireland/Dez Bryant fiasco
    -Late night flight to California to interview Harbaugh when Sparano was still here, then had to save face a bit by giving Sparano a meaningless extension

    I think I'm even missing one or two
     
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    don't look any further than the field. Ross is not the problem
     
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    Read an article today that said Peyton Manning is looking to get a GM gig next season. I wonder if that might be a fit here given his relationship with Gase and his home in Miami.
     
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    If it means Tannenbaum gets the boot, sign me up.
     
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    Wow, you really got him this time...

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    Saw the title of this thread and instantly said “ugh” .. some people just lay around waiting for a reason to blame anyone.

    There are the Tannehill haters who wait u til he has a bad game to say how they always knew he sucked, but when he’s balling like the end of last season they’re nowhere to be found.

    Then there’s the Tannenbaum haters who are ready to commit suicide every time one of his decisions goes wrong, but will be quiet when his picks or signings work out like most have been pretty decent this season.

    Then there’s the Ross haters who will bring up stuff that he did YEARS ago and try to relate/blame it on what’s going on with the team today. But theyre quiet when the decisions he makes works out like hiring Gase & going to the playoffs year one, or opening his checkbook to signing free agents that we all were on board with wanting (like Suh).

    Geez people just relax and stop holding grudges lol. Unless you are a mistake-free individual, there’s no need for you to expect perfection from your favorite sports team. If someone has made a mistake in judgement in the past and is showing signs of improvement over what they’ve been ignorant to before, then no need to condemn them at every single step.

    There’s no need to constantly root against your team...... Go Phins!
     
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    Ross is a bumbling fool as a owner. He might be a real estate guru, but as a NFL he is a putz. There is a hell of a lot more to it than just opening a checkbook. What Ross has failed miserably at is building a Championship Culture in Miami. Ross biggest fault is he continues to put the wrong people in positions to build that culture. Mike Tannebuam is not the answer! Just look at embarrassing scandals under Ross.

    Bullygate.
    Courting Harbaugh while not firing Sparano.
    Extending Sparano, dumb round table meeting giving Sparano more power.
    Firing Sparano after extension.
    Keeping Ireland.
    Flying Jeff Fisher in his helicopter on dinner dates.
    Hiring Philbin after having several coaches withdraw their names from Consideration.
    Extending Ireland.
    Firing Ireland.
    Going through 6 candidates to find a GM. Even having Farmer tell him he would rather stay in CLEVELAND.
    Hiring Hickey as GM who was never more than a glorified scout in Tampa and was about to be fired.
    Hiring Tannebuam making him a Czar.
    Firing Hickey.
    Timmons Awol.
    Coach videoing himself doing blow in his office at team headquarters.
    Coach sending video to a hooker.
    Hooker posting video and threatening to post more.
    Hooker smashing the Dolphins in the post.

    I am sure there are many more bloopers I forgot. Simply saying Ross is a god owner because he cuts checks and is hands off is a very low bar. The Patriots are good because Kraft built a winning culture he is involved and knows how to hire successful people.

    Can Jerry Springer afford a team? Just sell it to him, that is how the organization functions. Like a Jerry Springer Show. At least then we can throw chairs at them when they are just out there going through the motions.
     
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    You've had this post saved as a draft somewhere for like two years, just waiting to hit 'send', haven't you?
     
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    Yeah it is my fault the Dolphins are a three ring circus with two rings on fire. Always the fans fault. Let me guess the Blow Dealer was a Dolphins fan so it is his fault this dipshit made a video snorting blow from team headquarters and sent it to a hooker.
     
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    Yeah it is my fault the Dolphins are a three ring circus with two rings on fire. Always the fans fault. Let me guess the Blow Dealer was a Dolphins fan so it is his fault this dipshit made a video snorting blow from team headquarters and sent it to a hooker.
     
  24. Snoop

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    Btw I don't mind him flying head coaching candidates around in the chopper lol you do what you gotta do to close the deal
     
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    But it's Fisher, the only place Ross should be flying him is away.
     
  26. Heisman34

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    Without Ross we would probably end up like the Chargers. We have a owner who spent around 400 MILLION of his own dollars to upgrade the stadium so we would be able to host big events like the Superbowl. He could have easily kept his 400 MILLION dollars and moved the team to a place willing to pay for a new stadium so he then would make money from the new stadium with big events being held there. Sorry i'm not blaming a man who is willing to spend that kind of money in order to make the fans happy. He genuinely cares about the fans and not only about Miami fan. Remember he was the only owner to vote against the Chargers moving in order to get a new stadium. Find a Chargers fan and ask them if they would trade you owners!
     
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    How do you know that it was Kraft who built the winning culture and not Belichick or Brady?
     
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    Because the Patriots were a floundering joke till Kraft bought the team. He made sweeping changes when he bought them and the results are undeniable. Since Kraft bought the team, they have made the playoffs 18 times in 23 years. They won AFC East titles in 1996, 1997, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016; they represented the AFC in the Super Bowl that concluded each of the following seasons: 1996 (lost), 2001 (won), 2003 (won), 2004 (won), 2007 (lost), 2011(lost), 2014 (won), and 2016 (won). The Patriots finished the 2003, 2004, 2010, and 2016 seasons with identical 14–2 regular-season records – after having never won more than 11 games prior to Kraft buying the team. That started before Belichik and Brady.
     
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    This is such a bad thread. Do people not realize we actually have one of the best owners in the league? It took him a couple seasons to figure it out but there is no denying his desire to build us a winner. Even the "mistake" he made trying to hire a coach while having one under contract was actually the right decision just done the wrong way. He spends all the money needed, stays out of the football operations side and even spends his own money upgrading the stadium.
     
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    What were those sweeping changes? I'm just asking because I don't know what he did exactly. The results speak for themselves but then again, Kraft's also the owner of the MLS club New England Revolution and they haven't won anything in 20 years.
     
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    Cleaned house top to bottom. Installed a winning culture, holds people accountable, if they don't perform they are gone.
     
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    This thread will be fun to bump again at the end of the year when this idiot gives Tannenbaum an extension to cap off a 6 win season.
     
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    Oh no! We're back to this again.
     
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    Don't worry. I'm sure even at that point the resident Dolphins apologists will be out in force to argue that the Dolphins, Ross, Tannenbaum, Gase, etc. are the best ever, every decision they make is right, and a Super Bowl is right around the corner.

    Ross and co. cant fail. They can only be failed. :rolleyes:
     
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    The problem is that our front office sucks at evaluating talent, and then when it actually stumbles into some talent like a blind squirrel tripping over a nut, we don't bother to re-sign them, and instead throw money at free agents from other teams.

    Here's a great example: Rishard Matthews. He was a Miami Dolphin who was drafted and then developed by the team for FOUR YEARS. Finally, in 2015, he had the chance to start (mostly by accident) and here's what happened when he was targeted:

    2015: 61 targets, 43 receptions, 662 yards, 4 touchdowns, 1 interception. Passer Rating: 121.1(!) - overall team passer rating was 88.9. When targeted, passing offense was 32.2 rating points better(!) than team average.

    Then we let him walk to Tennessee, who signed him for a paltry 3 years, 15 million dollars. That's peanuts! That's nothing! And what has he done in 2 years in Tennessee? He's been good.

    2016: 108 targets, 65 receptions, 945 yards, 9 touchdowns, 4 interceptions. Passer Rating: 101.0 - overall team passer rating was 93.7. When targeted, passing offense was 7.3 rating points better than team average.

    2017: 68 targets, 41 receptions, 626 yards, 3 touchdowns, 4 interceptions. Passer Rating: 88.9 - overall team passer rating is 76.6. When targeted, passing offense is 12.3 rating points better than team average.


    Instead of keeping players like Matthews on the roster, we have elected to trade draft picks for different receivers (Carroo and Stills) who have actually underperformed compared to the rest of our receiving group for the most part during their time in Miami. I like Kenny Stills, he's a great deep ball specialist, but it is inexcusable to have burned four draft picks plus a big chunk of cap space on a pair of receivers who aren't improving our offense by comparison to the guy who walked away for next to nothing.

    So when I saw this this morning, I laughed:





    Really? I get that perhaps he was not happy down here with Joe Philbin, but when he walked, Philbin had been fired. It should have been possible to work with him toward a fair contract extension. We didn't even try, because we wanted to showcase the guy we had just traded a 3rd round draft pick for, Kenny Stills.

    He's certainly not the only one. We've had horrible struggles at cornerback, to the point that we had to go dredge up Byron Maxwell as a grossly overpaid starter in 2016, when we could have just tried to re-sign Nolan Carroll on a modest contract after he had shown that he was capable of being a serviceable NFL cornerback. Again, we develop players and then when they start to show that they are capable of being productive, decent players for us, we let them walk in order to blow more draft picks and money on unknown quantities or has-beens.

    Jeff Ireland sucked. Dennis Hickey kind of sucked. Mike Tannenbaum...

    The problem isn't Ross, the problem is the people Ross has put in charge of building the roster. They are ****ing stupid.
     
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    So the man at the TOP bares no responsibility? And people here have the gall to laugh at owners like Jerry Jones, whose team has put together winners and dynasties in the modern era. But hey, we can keep living off the accomplishments of a long ago era.
     
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    Oh man, you made so many great points but then you finished it up with this lol....do you know how ridiculous this statement is? Ross isn't the problem, it's everyone he hired? Everyone he took too long to sever ties with, everyone he gave extensions to? Newsflash, he's the ****ing owner of the team, he's ultimately responsible. 2013 was on him. He decided to keep Ireland after a 4th consecutive losing season when he could've fired him and had the top executives around the league begging for the job given the 5 picks in the first 3 rounds, $40M+ in cap space and a young potential franchise QB heading into year 2, basically the type of resources a new GM has wet dreams over...it was a great opportunity for someone to come in and truly rebuild the team to his liking in one offseason. Instead this big eared dumbass put his faith in that ugly Ginger **** and boy did we pay the price. That single decision set the team back years.
     
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    Philbin and Friends ruined this team. The offense and defense were mostly ineffective because Philbin wanted finesse weaklings rather than mean, nasty football players. The roster needed to be overhauled, and any candidates for the next regime after Philbin should want to run the opposite of what Philbin ran. Unfortunately, they hired Philbin 2.0 (Gase), and the team is still using most of Philbin's pathetic o-line, still running that short pass garbage offense, and the defense is still a dumpster fire. Now I have to wait for who knows how long until Ross finally gets tired of this mess and fires Gase, Tannenbaum, and the Front Office personnel.
     
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    It's like when your grandpa calls you up and tells you he's got great news, he just won the Nigerian lottery and it's on its way to him right now, he only had to send 500 dollars for shipping and handling, and he wants to take the family out to a nice restaurant to celebrate.
     
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    Really?

    *makes jerking off motion*
     

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