DrAstroZoom
Bon vivant
185 passing yards per game ... hmmm ... that's dominant.
Sunday vs. Giants and Passing the Ball
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Baz
Ephemeral
They've also played the Bengals and a bad Raiders team. We'll get a good feel for that team this Sunday when they play a contender......
Rick 1966
Professional Hipshooter
Ask the Raiders if it was domination.
Rick 1966
Professional Hipshooter
Yes, as I SAID...we'll see more as the year goes on.
DrAstroZoom
Bon vivant
I don't care what spin you put on it ... a passing offense that is ranked 25th out of 32nd in the NFL is not top tier, which was your claim about Denver.
Baz
Ephemeral
Trent Green was a cast off from Washington if I remember correctly. He most likely got a contract comparable to the one Fiedler recently signed. Anyone have any information on this? I'm pretty sure this is the case, because they traded him the next season. If he had a blockbuster deal, he wouldn't have been able to have been traded......
Rick 1966
Professional Hipshooter
Simply put, you're incorrect. You can indeed have all three and I've named the teams that done it in the salary cap era. It's not EASY, but it is certainly possible. Just because we are not sure if anyone has done it yet this season doesn't mean it's impossible. The examples are there to show it is certainly possible.
Rick 1966
Professional Hipshooter
No, my claim was that Denver might (and I said might) have a top-tier QB. The fact that they haven't thrown a buttload of passes yet through three games doesn't mean that Plummer might not be a top-tier QB.
Baz
Ephemeral
I totally agree here. I think the trend will show that not one team will have top 10 in all 3 categories. The teams that comes the closest? Probably Indianapolis or Miami, maybe even Buffalo if that line can start run blocking......
DrAstroZoom
Bon vivant
Actually, we KNOW no one has done it yet this season. As I said earlier, no team is ranked in the top 3rd of the league in all three categories.
Baz
Ephemeral
Yes, it is possible, when a player surprises. Example? Kurt Warner. However, you can't knowingly sign a top QB, a top RB, and top defenders in the offseason, which is what this thread was about in the first place......
Rick 1966
Professional Hipshooter
You can't sign all three in ONE offseason, and no, that wasn't what this thread was about.
You can also do it through the draft, trades and free agency.
The Titans, for example, got their star QB and RB through the draft and built their D up through free agency and the draft.
The Dolphins put together a D through the draft mostly, with some trades and FA, brought in Ricky via a trade and could conceivably bring in a new QB via free agency next offseason.
THAT was the point of my posts in this thread: that Miami should try to upgrade at QB in the offseason. That's it. Nothing more.
And you'd think from the ****storm it started that I had called for ethnic cleansing. Some people here are too emotionally attached to Fiedler, apparently.
Baz
Ephemeral
Interesting you mention the Titans. While at one point all 3 have been good with them, never at the same time. When George was at full strength, McNair struggled. When McNair got to be as good as he is know, that defense was awful. Now that the defense is fixed, George is slowing, so that doesn't count......
Is that the "I know you are but what am I" defense?
How about the truth?
You said
1. "His (Fiedler's) salary is on a par with Brad Johnson, who won a SB last year and has demonstrated himself to be quite a capable QB"
I provided the following information:Brad Johnson -
2002 - Salary - $3.5M, Bonus - $2.003M = Total Salary of $5.5M
Total Cap Charge of $6.8M
2001 - Salary - $750K, Bonus - $6.5M = Total Salary of $8.53M
Total Cap Charge of $2.1M
2000 - Salary - $3M, Bonus - $1.3M, = Total Salary of $4.4 M
Total Cap Charge of $4.4M
Fiedler -
2002 - Salary - $525K, Bonus - $4.1M = Total Salary of $4.6M
Total Cap Charge of $1.7M.
2001 - Salary - $988K, Bonus - $250K, Total Salary of $1.6M
Total Cap Charge of $1.6M.
2000 - Salary - $450K, Bonus - $367K, Total Salary of $817K
Total Cap Charge of $817K.
So in 2002, Johnson was paid $900K more than Fiedler and his cap charge was $5.1M higher.
In 2001, Johnson was paid $6.9M more than Fiedler and his cap charge was $500k higher.
In 2000, Johnson was paid $3.6M more than Fiedler and his cap charge was $3.6M higher.
2. Then you said: "These WRs make their money by getting YAC, and to get the most YAC you need a QB who can hit you in stride going down the field. Fiedler lacks the ability to hit a WR in stride."
And then I posted that the Dolphins are 4th in YAC this season.
You have never answered either of these.
DrAstroZoom
Bon vivant
I don't think it's your main point that has people riled up so much as the support points you bring up. If you could admit you may be wrong about even one of those points -- the contention that Denver currently has a top tier passing, running and defensive game is the most glaring to me -- you would gain some credibility, at least with me.
But an emotional attachment to Fiedler isn't the issue here.