Phinatic8u
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Man people get so consumed with what this team does LOL.
It ain't that serious. Relax.
It ain't that serious. Relax.
**Super Thread** Clowney/Tunsil Trade Rumor (merged too many times)
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It’s been mentioned here before, but the cornerstones of NFL teams are generally QB, LT, CB, and DE.
Shy of trading away one to acquire another, I think we might be a little hasty with the torches and pitchforks.
Shy of trading away one to acquire another, I think we might be a little hasty with the torches and pitchforks.
Thing is, when you trade for a tagged DE, you're 100% overpaying. It might make sense when that's all you need for a decent run. In the Fins situation, this is clearly not the case and on top of that, they actually have plenty of assets to get a similar or better player on a cheap 5 year contract after this season. So no, trading and overpaying Clowney makes no logical sense for the Fins.
This is nothing like the free agent signings of the past. We aren't back loading the contract and mortgaging the future with this one. We have more than enough money to pay him this year, and put the franchise tag on him next year as well. This would be a two year try out, and if he leaves in free agency, we would get a very good comp pick in return.
As long as we don't give the Texans too much, this wouldn't be a bad deal. Sorry to disappoint people here, but we aren't tanking this year, this team wants to compete.
As long as we don't give the Texans too much, this wouldn't be a bad deal. Sorry to disappoint people here, but we aren't tanking this year, this team wants to compete.
A clear indication this front office has no clue or big picture vision on how to construct a sustained winner. It's a "let's just throw sh*t at the wall and see what sticks" mentality.
Yeah, that's what it feels like. I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, but this would be such an odd decision.
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Really confused at the opinions that this would be a bad idea. If we end up trading a second rounder for a perennial Pro Bowl defensive end who is apparently a "perfect" fit in this scheme, who is only 26 mind you, at one of the premier positions in this league, how in the world is that a bad trade? A 9 sack guy who is amazing at the run wouldn't be worth a 2nd rounder, even if it came with a big contract? We'd lose a 3rd rounder for the "right" to sign Tunsil to a big contract, but I don't see a single person on this forum that thinks THAT is a bad idea, so how is this much different? Because it's one round higher?
Want to know what a bad trade is? Trading a 2nd rounder for a QB who had a terrible season last year and is just treading water in a garbage QB competition this year, but more people seemed to be on board with that trade than this one that actually returns something that is a proven commodity.
What is going on?
Want to know what a bad trade is? Trading a 2nd rounder for a QB who had a terrible season last year and is just treading water in a garbage QB competition this year, but more people seemed to be on board with that trade than this one that actually returns something that is a proven commodity.
What is going on?
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I'll take a good player at any time of the year. There's no guarantee that premium veteran players of any position will be join the Dolphins next year. This fills a need, and if he plays well he can stay for a minimum of two years with the Franchise tag. Longer if a deal can be done.
If he becomes a free agent from the Texans after this season, he can choose any team and may well be able to name his price. It'll probably be higher than the franchise tag either way.
IMO, if we take him, with the intention to make him a building block for the future, not a band aid to try and make a run at the playoffs.
If Bill O'Brien is desperate, then we could have a bargain.
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You must be new here, "We're one player ranks right up beside I've got picks and money as the trademarks of the previous failures of GM/Coaching staff."
Next time I'll use the sarcasm tag
Incorrect we didn’t trade a 2nd rounder we in fact traded a 5th and lowered our 2nd round pick this year for next year
I think it’s the smart move. I was always against Jake Long playing in the preseason and I also wanted Long on the bench after the team was eliminated from the postseason.
This is a standard approach and a correct one.
I will say the overpay for an elite talent at a position of need is much better than the whiff at DE in round 1. Has happened twice now in two attempts
Team needed to consider Trey Flowers a little more in FA.
But I also think they have this feeling they think they can be real good on defense and special teams, but there is a glaring hole at DE that has put a wrench in those plans.
But the question remains do you have the QB and OLine to take this type of gamble? I don't think they do tbh, not to say those 6 guys can't become that but not to the point of gambling on Clowney, not this year.
Maybe they feel the $16 million dollar tag is worth seeing if he can ascend to the top of the DE mountain in this system and they can convert that into a first or more or he shows he is worthy of 5/$100 and you don't have to stress DE next draft.
This definitely feels like a Kawhi Leonard move . . . Except much more doubt that a ring is in play.
And if we touching draft capital . . .I really lose all hope for this FO, and we haven't even started the season.
Hypothetically speaking, what website would a person visit if they wanted to get consumed with Dolphins matters?
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All other factors aside, we don't know what additional pieces are involved with the FOs plan.
Yes, worst case we pay two years of tags.
But saving some high draft resources to address a long term need with a player entering his prime while paying salary isn't a complete bafoon move we still need a lot of pieces
Picks and money is all we have as a football team. Trying to save one lends itself to eventually using the other.
This is just a move to get an audition for a possible long term piece. Somewhat similar to the Rosen deal.
I didn't say sign him long term immediately like TB would do. But I think the real value is the assessment.
In one year you either have a player to build around or an already stated need to address.
We DO have to eventually spend money. Saving for the sake of saving is idiotic.
You have to assess opportunities as they present within your long term plan.
If JC is an elite DE entering his prime and wants to be here .... We don't want him because we didn't draft him? Because this isn't Year 2 when we planned to draft a cornerstone DE?
QB, DE, CB and LT. Those are your prototypical elite pieces in team building.
Rosen?
JC?
X
Tunsil
We have two. Keep firing when you get a chance . Don't wreck your plan...but be shrewd.
Rosen was shrewd. Rosen deals don't grow on trees. JC isn't a picture perfect deal. But it is an opportunity. It must be weighed
Keep firing until you hit
If Rosen and JC prove out to be what we need, in five years these will be considered genius forward thinking moves.
If they don't and we deal responsibly, we are still looking and trying to win.
You can't save for the sake of saving
Bottom line is sustained winning...building
When a piece falls into your lap (Tunsil, Rosen, . JC?)... You must be ready to act
Phinatic8u
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Going on a fourm to talk about the team is different then having mental breakdowns or raging relentlessly about a player the Dolphins want to possibly trade for.
**** isn't that damn serious.