Support for Incognito (Look at this board) explains why Martin was afraid to to talk.

[BGtoKNfor6]

Bull crap. Not every 300 lb guy is the biggest baddest dog in the yard. There are people Martin could beat and there are others he can't. He can't bat Incognito, yet Incognito someday will come across someone who can beat him. Everyone is beatable, but a person can't beat all. Eventually a bigger dog will win that fight.

The way it appears Incognito goes at times unfortunately for him it may be a violent ending...Live by the sword...If anything I hope this guy can take his money that he has accumulated and get severe anger management treatment.

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sure if i was as big as he was, let's say the same size as ritchie

"if"...

 

[endorPHINS72]

There is more public support from Dolphins player for Richie than there is for Martin. That probably explains why he was afraid to talk. Blaming the victim. Like blaming the rape victim. "Oh she shouldn't have been wearing that." "Oh he should have fought him." In my opinion, The Dolphins got off easy, Martin could have went postal and bought a gun and shot everyone. Though it seems more people in the locker room and on this board would have respected Martin more if he did bring a gun and threaten Incognito, but than we would also had posters calling Martin a thug. So in a no-win situation.

Richie Icognito said on radio last year that he took Tannehill's credit card & bought a jet ski. I honestly believe Icognito would've intentionally missed blocks if Tannehill wouldn't have bought him that Jetski.

The people that don't see anything wrong with what Incognito did are a prime example with what's wrong with today's society. They will impose their values of what they think is right and wrong on you, and if you object, you're a weak *****. Some of the posts I've seen on Finheaven the last few days (by supposed "reputable" posters) make me somewhat embarrassed to be a member of this site and have me seriously thinking about not re-upping my VIP membership.

 

[NYinBostonFin]

Comparing the situation to a rape? Wow...

 

[phintim]

There is more public support from Dolphins player for Richie than there is for Martin. That probably explains why he was afraid to talk. Blaming the victim. Like blaming the rape victim. "Oh she shouldn't have been wearing that." "Oh he should have fought him." In my opinion, The Dolphins got off easy, Martin could have went postal and bought a gun and shot everyone. Though it seems more people in the locker room and on this board would have respected Martin more if he did bring a gun and threaten Incognito, but than we would also had posters calling Martin a thug. So in a no-win situation.

Richie Icognito said on radio last year that he took Tannehill's credit card & bought a jet ski. I honestly believe Icognito would've intentionally missed blocks if Tannehill wouldn't have bought him that Jetski.

I could agree with you but the players who know whats going on in the locker room so far have supported Incog more than Martin. They should know more than the main stream media looking for a story and fans who are living in a make believe world. I say make believe because my question to you is who supports and protects you from the bullies in the world when we run out of men who are raised to be men and stand up to bullies. Martin is certainly not that type of man he is hiding behind his lawyers so far. As far as Incog looking to get Martin hurt that is speculation on your part which is putting you on the same level as you are trying to make Incog out to be. Not that I like bullies and Incog. In fact Incog past makes him a prime victim for what is happening to him

 

[BGtoKNfor6]

I could agree with you but the players who know whats going on in the locker room so far have supported Incog more than Martin. They should know more than the main stream media looking for a story and fans who are living in a make believe world. I say make believe because my question to you is who supports and protects you from the bullies in the world when we run out of men who are raised to be men and stand up to bullies. Martin is certainly not that type of man he is hiding behind his lawyers so far. As far as Incog looking to get Martin hurt that is speculation on your part which is putting you on the same level as you are trying to make Incog out to be. Not that I like bullies and Incog. In fact Incog past makes him a prime victim for what is happening to him

Playing devils advocate here. Do you think that if it comes out that some serious misconduct was occurring involving coaches, staff and players coercing or forcing or whatever you want to call it, incoming rookies and young players to open their wallets that they wouldn't want to keep this a secret? Short of receipts or bad social media discretion, an investigation is basically going to reveal only what the players allow it to. Realize that depending how bad this is, it could be career suicide for many players and staff. Would you want these type of players and coaches in your locker room/organization?

 

[Namor]

The people that don't see anything wrong with what Incognito did are a prime example with what's wrong with today's society. They will impose their values of what they think is right and wrong on you, and if you object, you're a weak *****. Some of the posts I've seen on Finheaven the last few days (by supposed "reputable" posters) make me somewhat embarrassed to be a member of this site and have me seriously thinking about not re-upping my VIP membership.

In my best pistol pete hot sauce commercial voice "NEW YORK CITY?"

I'm just busting on you.....not bullying...There is alot of grey area in this...with both Martin and Ritchie.

 

[Vaark]

What Incog did was brutish, heavy-handed and detestable; I don't think there's too much argument with that outside of the matter of "to what degree/how close to the locker room norm."

However, like 95% of what transpires in the world, this is not a black and white issue. It's (can't believe i'm saying this sheesh) "shades of gray." Just because it's easy to demonize Incog, that doesn't automatically make Martin the innocent "victim." Actually if you consider that "actions truly speak louder than words," a case can be made that as unacceptable as were RI's "words," Martin's 'actions" especially during the last 6 months after those VMs tell more of a story than what looks like a staged dramatic, tray-clanging departure from the cafeteria and puts into question his true intents and who might be pulling his strings.

So for anyone who thinks that Incog is getting a pass by the majority on FH, IMO they're mis-reading the sentiment. If they Martin and what he's wrought is the innocent victim with unintended results, IMO, they're also mis-reading the tea leaves. Just because one was wrong does not by definition make the opposing party right.

 

[PhinSoldia]

There is more public support from Dolphins player for Richie than there is for Martin. That probably explains why he was afraid to talk. Blaming the victim. Like blaming the rape victim. "Oh she shouldn't have been wearing that." "Oh he should have fought him." In my opinion, The Dolphins got off easy, Martin could have went postal and bought a gun and shot everyone. Though it seems more people in the locker room and on this board would have respected Martin more if he did bring a gun and threaten Incognito, but than we would also had posters calling Martin a thug. So in a no-win situation.

Richie Icognito said on radio last year that he took Tannehill's credit card & bought a jet ski. I honestly believe Icognito would've intentionally missed blocks if Tannehill wouldn't have bought him that Jetski.

OP is a troll first of all, probably Martin's dad making up for Cog's dad blasting him,

Second of all Martin is not blame because of the timing, and because he it seems as though he is being an opportunistic jerk, if he wanted to take Cogs down he could have gone to management or Ross or to the NFLPA, this approach is going to have him take down many lives,

He was paper soft on the field and he shows he is the same way off the field

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Comparing the situation to a rape? Wow...

I have heard comparisons of a rape victim and helpless women with Stockholm, the comparisons are laughable at best

 

[PhinSoldia]

What Incog did was brutish, heavy-handed and detestable; I don't think there's too much argument with that outside of the matter of "to what degree/how close to the locker room norm."

However, like 95% of what transpires in the world, this is not a black and white issue. It's (can't believe i'm saying this sheesh) "shades of gray." Just because it's easy to demonize Incog, that doesn't automatically make Martin the innocent "victim." Actually if you consider that "actions truly speak louder than words," a case can be made that as unacceptable as were RI's "words," Martin's 'actions" especially during the last 6 months after those VMs tell more of a story than what looks like a staged dramatic, tray-clanging departure from the cafeteria and puts into question his true intents and who might be pulling his strings.

So for anyone who thinks that Incog is getting a pass by the majority on FH, IMO they're mis-reading the sentiment. If they Martin and what he's wrought is the innocent victim with unintended results, IMO, they're also mis-reading the tea leaves. Just because one was wrong does not by definition make the opposing party right.

I haven't seen ANYONE on FH DEFEND Cogs, but people on here are smart enough to question Martins motives and his timing
Cogs is an idiot a moron and quite frankly can be a racist, however,

People are playing violins SO HARD for Martin that they aren't questioning incredibly pertinent information that comes out as well, about his timing, him texting Cogs at the last minute saying everything was ok PLUS him not going to the NFLPA sooner


Shefter just reported that Philbin didn't know....this is shady for Martin, Cogs will go to HELL, but Martin is NOT blameless

 

[dcnr226]

he had a problem with a teammate and instead of going to Philbin he abandoned his teammates and filed a formal complaint to the NFL. That's kind've a bitch move. i would think it would be the cardinal sin to abandon your teammates in the manner that he did.

EDIT: That isn't kind've a bitch move. It's certifiably a bitch move.

 

[Kencoboy]

The question of the day is : what has Martin done wrong??? Quit his team...from what I'm hearing his team certainly didn't help him out and control the situation. Be a rat....from what I'm hearing he didn't feel that using the chain of command wouldn't work for whatever reason. Until we know the whole story (maybe never) will we know why he quit like he did. I for one cannot imagine why someone would walk away from the NFL without a damn good reason, and I don't believe we've heard all of it yet. Martin is the victim in all this, and until all this plays out to assume anything else is just plain wrong. Does anyone on here even wonder if Martin may have performed better if Incognito wasn't messing with him so much, and if so, why was this behavior allowed to go on??

 

[phintim]

Playing devils advocate here. Do you think that if it comes out that some serious misconduct was occurring involving coaches, staff and players coercing or forcing or whatever you want to call it, incoming rookies and young players to open their wallets that they wouldn't want to keep this a secret? Short of receipts or bad social media discretion, an investigation is basically going to reveal only what the players allow it to. Realize that depending how bad this is, it could be career suicide for many players and staff. Would you want these type of players and coaches in your locker room/organization?

I would agree with you but something like that usually develops over years not 1 year since Philbin has been onboard. Like I said Incog has done enough over a long time that it is going to be hard to be on his side. Like in most issues their are 2 sides and everyone seems to on one or the other. Currently race and bullying is carrying a lot of wieght in our culture which is going to cloud some of the facts. Hey if someone is wrong

 

[PhinSoldia]

he had a problem with a teammate and instead of going to Philbin he abandoned his teammates and filed a formal complaint to the NFL. That's kind've a bitch move. i would think it would be the cardinal sin to abandon your teammates in the manner that he did.

Post of the day sir!!!!!!

 

[Rev Kev]

There is more public support from Dolphins player for Richie than there is for Martin. That probably explains why he was afraid to talk. Blaming the victim. Like blaming the rape victim. "Oh she shouldn't have been wearing that." "Oh he should have fought him." In my opinion, The Dolphins got off easy, Martin could have went postal and bought a gun and shot everyone. Though it seems more people in the locker room and on this board would have respected Martin more if he did bring a gun and threaten Incognito, but than we would also had posters calling Martin a thug. So in a no-win situation.

Richie Icognito said on radio last year that he took Tannehill's credit card & bought a jet ski. I honestly believe Icognito would've intentionally missed blocks if Tannehill wouldn't have bought him that Jetski.

This is bad on many levels

 

[Rev Kev]

The question of the day is : what has Martin done wrong??? Quit his team...from what I'm hearing his team certainly didn't help him out and control the situation. Be a rat....from what I'm hearing he didn't feel that using the chain of command wouldn't work for whatever reason. Until we know the whole story (maybe never) will we know why he quit like he did. I for one cannot imagine why someone would walk away from the NFL without a damn good reason, and I don't believe we've heard all of it yet. Martin is the victim in all this, and until all this plays out to assume anything else is just plain wrong. Does anyone on here even wonder if Martin may have performed better if Incognito wasn't messing with him so much, and if so, why was this behavior allowed to go on??

I am reading hearing the opposite from players of various sports who think Cogs went to too great an extreme but understand going to battle with a weak link. It appears Cogs took Martin under his wing and there is evidence that he and Martin were seen in public together, so yes a case could be made that Cogs was trying to toughen Martin up because he was afterall on his left side... They were supposed to go to battle together and there is evidence that Martin didn't measure up to Jake Long -> In the end it nothing will be proven..., truth like it or hate it -> what is permitted in society is one thing and one is permited in the army or on the sports teams altogether different. That is a fact.