Support for Incognito (Look at this board) explains why Martin was afraid to to talk.

[MinnesotaFin]

haha someone said Bullying is not about Physical Size!!! If I'm bigger than you or close to the same size I will defend myself with words then physicality. Even if I lose the fight, it still sends a message that I will attack you if need be, regardless if I "win" the fight, the message will be sent.

 

[petefins]

There is more public support from Dolphins player for Richie than there is for Martin. That probably explains why he was afraid to talk. Blaming the victim. Like blaming the rape victim. "Oh she shouldn't have been wearing that." "Oh he should have fought him." In my opinion, The Dolphins got off easy, Martin could have went postal and bought a gun and shot everyone. Though it seems more people in the locker room and on this board would have respected Martin more if he did bring a gun and threaten Incognito, but than we would also had posters calling Martin a thug. So in a no-win situation.

Richie Icognito said on radio last year that he took Tannehill's credit card & bought a jet ski. I honestly believe Icognito would've intentionally missed blocks if Tannehill wouldn't have bought him that Jetski.

Finally, someone realizes the truth. Thank you for posting. There's only a few good men on this forum.

 

[SoCal Finatic]

What Incog did was brutish, heavy-handed and detestable; I don't think there's too much argument with that outside of the matter of "to what degree/how close to the locker room norm."

However, like 95% of what transpires in the world, this is not a black and white issue. It's (can't believe i'm saying this sheesh) "shades of gray." Just because it's easy to demonize Incog, that doesn't automatically make Martin the innocent "victim." Actually if you consider that "actions truly speak louder than words," a case can be made that as unacceptable as were RI's "words," Martin's 'actions" especially during the last 6 months after those VMs tell more of a story than what looks like a staged dramatic, tray-clanging departure from the cafeteria and puts into question his true intents and who might be pulling his strings.

So for anyone who thinks that Incog is getting a pass by the majority on FH, IMO they're mis-reading the sentiment. If they Martin and what he's wrought is the innocent victim with unintended results, IMO, they're also mis-reading the tea leaves. Just because one was wrong does not by definition make the opposing party right.

That is a well thought out, rational statement that succinctly describes facts in evidence without grand standing or spouting about speculation using logic and common sense. What the H@#$ are you doing on a Dolphins Forum!!!??? hahahaha

 

[Canadianfishfan]

I wanna hear the voicemail. I wanna SEE the actual texts.

I think it's amusing how everyone is pampering Martin, while taking the shots at Incognito.

Doesn't seem like the DOLPHIN PLAYERS agree with half of the lynch mob out there.

Unless any of us played NFL football, and unless any of us were in THAT locker room and were able to see for ourselves what transpired.. we guessing.

Remember, no one has seen the actual texts. Just transcripts released by Martin's representatives. No-one has heard the voicemail either.

Now.. I'm NOT defending anything. Just playing devils advocate, and most importantly trying to stress.. LET ALL THE INFORMATION COME OUT.

These messages are half a year old. Why not confront the team/Incognito then?

Up until recently Martin HIMSELF was hazing other players.

There is going to be a lot of mud to sling. Just not on Incognito.

 

[phintim]

Incognitio may certainly need to be thrown under the bus but this bullying thing for a man his age making you believe that a bunch of lawyers and his family needs to protect him is a bit rediculous unless he can prove he went for help to his coaches and teammates before running home. Thats the bottom line here regardless of how the media wants to spin it. I am as anti bullying as you can get but you would think that his teammates would certainly have a better idea of what is going on than anyone else. Not one has stood up to my understanding so far to support him.

 

[LandShark13]

If he went through proper channels this would have been resolved one way or the other months ago and the fans and the media and their teammates never would of had to of chosen a side.

 

[LandShark13]

the only things we have seen so far are the things that the Martin camp chose to "leak". its a one sided story so far and worse than that what has been leaked is being twisted to suit either the Medias or martins need.

So to the OP I don't think we have chosen a side as much as we are smart enough to realize that there is a LOT more to the story than that has been released. Could be what Cog did was WAY worse than what we have heard or it could swing the other way. The simple fact that those two throughout all of this still hung out on a regular basis leads me to believe there we are still missing some rather large pieces.

 

[Namor]

That is a well thought out, rational statement that succinctly describes facts in evidence without grand standing or spouting about speculation using logic and common sense. What the H@#$ are you doing on a Dolphins Forum!!!??? hahahaha

Vaark is our" wind beneath our wings".

 

[rickd13]

The people that don't see anything wrong with what Incognito did are a prime example with what's wrong with today's society. They will impose their values of what they think is right and wrong on you, and if you object, you're a weak *****. Some of the posts I've seen on Finheaven the last few days (by supposed "reputable" posters) make me somewhat embarrassed to be a member of this site and have me seriously thinking about not re-upping my VIP membership.

Seriously? Don't you have a picture of Jeff Ireland with the caption a**hole, stupid, and incompetent underneath it in your posts. It sure sounds like you are a hypocrite to me. If Martin felt threatened and wouldn't stand up for himself or wouldn't go to someone in the organization than how could the situation he felt he was in ever get resolved? You seem unable to handle the fact people on here have a different viewpoint than yours. If you are embarrassed by that, then maybe you should leave. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

 

[jtoomuch]

I have many times had LIGHTHEARTED verbal exchanges with people of different races that I am close to, and some of these would surely not look good in print out of context.

 

[BGtoKNfor6]

Seriously? Don't you have a picture of Jeff Ireland with the caption a**hole, stupid, and incompetent underneath it in your posts. It sure sounds like you are a hypocrite to me. If Martin felt threatened and wouldn't stand up for himself or wouldn't go to someone in the organization than how could the situation he felt he was in ever get resolved? You seem unable to handle the fact people on here have a different viewpoint than yours. If you are embarrassed by that, then maybe you should leave. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Personally I think Martin did what he thought was the only option probably after consulting his lawyer parents. Think about it for a second. If Martin goes to Philbin and then Philbin addresses the team because that's what people do when they don't want to be bothered by dumb ****, how does that help Martin? He would then be ostracized from the locker room. It's a damn if you do, damn if you don't situation. I agree with what some people are saying about the lack of leadership in the locker room. The dolphins absolutely lack any true leaders on the team. If they had those players, this would have been stopped a long time ago regardless of what everyone thinks about how soft he is or not. The fact Martin doesn't appear to have approached any player for "help" further confirms that he felt nobody would help him or there were no leaders. Where is the oline coach in all of this? I find it hard to believe it was only relegated to the locker room and outside the facilities.

All I can say is that I didn't have to walk a day in Martin's shoes so I don't know what it was like. I HAVE seen what Incognito is capable of both on the field and in public. I could very well envision a scenario where he mentally abused this kid because that is what Martin is....a kid who appears to have no coping skills for what comes with being in a locker room.

Frankly I'm over all this bull****. Can we play a game already?

 

[rickd13]

Bullying is about power dynamics, not necessarily physical size.

Exactly, and Incognito had no power over Martin. He wasn't his boss. He didn't have any say in how much playing time Martin would get, or how much money he would earn. If Martin was uncomfortable with what Incognito was saying or doing, than he should have addressed it with Incognito first and if the situation was not resolved by that action, then he should have addressed it with Incognito's superiors (coaches and general manager).

 

[rickd13]

Personally I think Martin did what he thought was the only option probably after consulting his lawyer parents. Think about it for a second. If Martin goes to Philbin and then Philbin addresses the team because that's what people do when they don't want to be bothered by dumb ****, how does that help Martin? He would then be ostracized from the locker room. It's a damn if you do, damn if you don't situation. I agree with what some people are saying about the lack of leadership in the locker room. The dolphins absolutely lack any true leaders on the team. If they had those players, this would have been stopped a long time ago regardless of what everyone thinks about how soft he is or not. The fact Martin doesn't appear to have approached any player for "help" further confirms that he felt nobody would help him or there were no leaders. Where is the oline coach in all of this? I find it hard to believe it was only relegated to the locker room and outside the facilities.

All I can say is that I didn't have to walk a day in Martin's shoes so I don't know what it was like. I HAVE seen what Incognito is capable of both on the field and in public. I could very well envision a scenario where he mentally abused this kid because that is what Martin is....a kid who appears to have no coping skills for what comes with being in a locker room.

Frankly I'm over all this bull****. Can we play a game already?

Well then, maybe Martin is not cut out to be an NFL player. I am not condoning Incognito's actions, he seems like an immature jackass, but if Martin can't stand up for himself, maybe he is the one with the problem. I would never do anything I didn't want to do, and if I felt someone was going over the line with what they were saying to me I would say so or fight back verbally.

 

[NCFINFAN13]

I have many times had LIGHTHEARTED verbal exchanges with people of different races that I am close to, and some of these would surely not look good in print out of context.

Dude all the time! We have your mama jokes, penis size jokes, n-word, s-word (for hispanics like me), wives, and girlfriend raunchy jokes, etc. You name it ... but we defend each other to the death if need be.

 

[BGtoKNfor6]

Well then, maybe Martin is not cut out to be an NFL player. I am not condoning Incognito's actions, he seems like an immature jackass, but if Martin can't stand up for himself, maybe he is the one with the problem. I would never do anything I didn't want to do, and if I felt someone was going over the line with what they were saying to me I would say so or fight back verbally.

I don't disagree. What I do disagree with is people's knee jerk reactions to how they think it should have been handled when they haven't walked a day in his shoes and don't know the real story. Nothing he could have done would have worked out in his favor. Nothing, unless RI would have left him alone after they had a talk.