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Most people had Egnew a 5th round pick to undrafted... But Ireland always likes to outsmart everyone, likes to pick guys no one else would because he thinks he knows something others don't.
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Tannehill put up better numbers than Luck this year...more TDs...more yards...higher completion percentage...yes he threw more INTs and he was sacked for 400 total yards on those 58 sacks...He progressed greatly this year, yes still having issues with his deep ball but he still had a great year...
If he was that good why was he not a 1st round pick.....
You know what's even more messed up? The Phins could've had Josh Gordon as well as Hilton on this team. Makes me wanna kick someone in the nuts.
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We should have jumped on Gordon for a 2nd or 3rd when we had the chance.
Brian Hartline is the new Davone Bess.
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But Egnew was clearly the better draft pick. 
Just add him to a long list of missed prospects.
Just add him to a long list of missed prospects.
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how is Hartline the new Bess?? Hartline has put up back to back 1000 yard seasons...and has proved himself to be a valuable target for Tannehill as has Charles Clay...
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Are you kidding? It is like a cycle around here. We are now in the "fire Ireland" phase. Come the draft, we will be in the "elect Ireland for president" phase. By the beginning of next season, we will be in the "maybe Ireland isn't so bright after all" phase. A few weeks into the season reality hits and we are back into the "no, not this **** again" phase.
Some of see reality all year round though, and are now in the current "we're ****ed" phase all year...
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If Hilton was on the team he would be just another receiver Tannehill couldn't hit on a deep ball. So, I guess in that regard, hell yeah I would rather Tannehill be under and overthrowing him all over the place whilst costing the team peanuts instead of him missing Wallace while they pay him all that money. Money that could have been used on Andy Levitre and some linebackers who aren't both clueless and allergic to tackling.
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I cannot think of one playmaker that Ireland has drafted yet. Colts have drafted them. Which is one reason I'm strongly advocating drafting Ebron or some stud receiver if they fall. Those types of players will get open quickly enough to which Tannehill doesn't need the time to make a freaking sandwich, like he currently does.
FWIW, I said Hartline for 30 mil was a terrible signing. You can't spend THAT kind of money on a guy who is THAT kind of athlete at the WR position - not if you want to sit at the grown-up table.
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Rodgers didn't play till year 4.
Brees didn't stop sucking ass till year 4
Tom Brady had essentially league average individual stats his first 5 years.
Conversely
Daunte Culpepper in his second year had a year to challange Manning like numbers, and pretty much peaked then.
Rick Mirer was offensive Rookie of the year runner up to Jerome Bettis and held broke and held many Rookie QB records at the time but declined from there.
Vince Young was an all pro, rookie of the year and 31-17 record in his first three years then for all purposes he dropped off the face of the earth.
People need to accept the fact the first two to three years of a QB you have to be willing to take what you can get until the player finds a maintainable level. Tannehill today is not the QB he will be in year 5 and beyond. Luck is not the QB today he will be in year 5 and beyond. There are not enough variables (certainly no same situation variables) in the samples to get an accurate idea who is and who isn't going to be great long term.
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I agree with your first sentence. But if your second sentence was true, it would make your first sentence false.
We'll hear plenty of "He's only a third year qb with limited college starts" next year should RT not look much better than he does now. I think we still give him another year, but I agree he needs to show progress and quite a bit of it. And by progress, I don't mean just padding his numbers. I mean he has to show better vision, better pocket awareness, and make better decisions. These qualities are difficult to measure and can be very subjective, but without them, a qb doesn't rise above average.
The Colts averaged almost 20 rushing yards a game more than us, so they didn't have to rely on the passing game to the extent we did. Also, the Colts were 11-5, so I'm betting they weren't behind in the 4th quarter as often as we were, thus weren't forced to go mostly pass at the end of games. Neither of those things is good for a team, but both of those things can contribute to a qbs totals going up. If you watched last night's game, you saw Luck do things on the field in that one game that RT doesn't do, and is perhaps incapable of doing. Luck has the intangibles I mentioned above; RT does not. I wish any comparison of the two were justified but these two players are currently a world apart.
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not true... Ireland is a ****ing boss...
see link for proof>>>
http://www.finheaven.com/showthread...s-Get-Real-Jeff-Ireland-quot-Like-a-Boss-quot
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what a guy who runs good routes, gets open and catches it? pretty sure that's the exact job description for a wr. Also if I'm not mistaken its only like 5 million a year.