Take the 19 Million and run ... straight to camp!

[VanDolPhan]

Of course, but unless I am mistaken the Rookie Salary Cap doesn't say the number 1 pick can make from $a-$b, and the number 2 pick makes from $c-$d etc.

Right but the whole system runs on a slotted basis and if your arguing against Ronnie's position this wouldn't be a battle I'd carry on since it's the teams that came up with the slotted system in the first place.

Ronnie's agent is using his god given (and contractually given) right to work out the best deal possible for his client and as a RB (more so then any other position) this may be the only big money deal he 'ever' gets due to teams not paying for older RB's and Ronnie is 23 already. Missing 2 weeks of training camp isn't going to affect him much at all. Especially since this team has an extra game and a week of training camp.

The simple fact remains that the team is lowballing him compared to the other slots and he will remain out until he gets his 12-15% raise. It doesn't make him any less of a team player. By your definition being stupid with your money is the only way to be a team player or unselfish.

 

[TheMageGandalf]

The owners cannot do what they want. They have a salary cap to worry about and have to pay league minimum salaries. They do have a certain amount of discretion, but you can say the same thing about the people who manage different branches of the same bank.

Your right. To a point. The teams are under the NFL bubble yes, due to the fact that they have agreements, rules and policies in effect to better gain Profit. But in the end, thats all it really is, just profit sharing.

The owners own their respective teams. They do not work for anyone. Unless your telling us that Wayne H. can be fired.

Thats how they are different than branches at a bank. Bank branches for instance have nothing but employee's. Everyone there is an employee of the company and can be fired or laid off.

Art Modell said he moved his team supposedly because he wasn't making enough money. Davis in Oakland has done it a few times. Why? Because each team is it's own business. A business which operates in a beneficial union with other businesses (teams).

Together they form a stronger whole to decide certain policies and whatnot to maintain a good order and smooth running machine which makes all of these businesses joined together the NFL 'bubble'.

The labor agreements are in place because the Owners voted on it. If enough owners didnt want that type of an agreement with their teams then they'd have to keep negotiating. You know this.

All in all the NFL is just a bunch of businesses banded together to form a stronger whole. Banded being the key word as the owners have formed in essence a union of owners much like the players have a union.

Though each in the end is it's own entity. With it's own employee's, policies etc. etc. until it becomes a player's union matter which obviously affects the players.

 

[godfater21]

/me rolls his eyes.

He's not going to take a bad deal just because your pissed he's not in camp. Guess what folks. The team nor the players give a damn about the fact you believe they should be in camp and lose millions because 'you' don't like it.

You all should have seen this coming the day we got the #2 pick.

Yeah 19 million and thats just whats Garenteed that deal sure does suck. he may have to go out and get food stamps.

 

[VanDolPhan]

Yeah 19 million and thats just whats Garenteed that deal sure does suck. he may have to go out and get food stamps.

It does when it's only a 5% bump when other players are getting 15-25%

His agent would never have another client in the first round after Drew steals them all. By the time taxes, agent fees and all that other stuff is done he'll see about $8 million of that $19 million (puts things in perspective).

Honestly I'd be concerned about Ronnie's intelligence if he took such a lowball offer.

 

[TheMageGandalf]

If you're going to laud Wayne (and those he employs) for making decisions, why are you so upset that Ronnie is making decisions? A contract is a meeting of the minds of two parties who agree to an exchange of things of value to the parties. Without two willing parties making decisions that they believe to be best for them, there is no process.

I'm not upset.

I'm going to root for the Fins either way.

I could care less if he holds out all year and goes back into the draft or signs today. It's not like he's going to hook me up with even a cheese burger so it makes no difference to me.

I'm just taking the teams stance in that paying out guaranteed money like if it was free money to an unproven player when as others have pointed out, players like Shaun Alexander and Edge arent getting it is ridiculous.

Like I said before, even Ricky rushing for 1,800+ yards before he wigged out didnt get it...

But if in the end he gets it, good for him. I hope he can perform to that money's level of expectation because if not ....damn.

 

[VanDolPhan]

I'm just taking the teams stance in that paying out guaranteed money like if it was free money to an unproven player when as others have pointed out, players like Shaun Alexander and Edge arent getting it is ridiculous.

Agreed with you there but I have no problem with Ronnie negotiating with the rules that are in the collective bargaining agreement. He's well within his right and considering most of the top 10 is still not signed points more to this being the NFL's fault more then anything.

 

[TheMageGandalf]

It does when it's only a 5% bump when other players are getting 15-25%

His agent would never have another client in the first round after Drew steals them all. By the time taxes, agent fees and all that other stuff is done he'll see about $8 million of that $19 million (puts things in perspective).

Honestly I'd be concerned about Ronnie's intelligence if he took such a lowball offer.

Right, but teams overpay constantly. (Redskins)

You say it doesn't matter, but to some team's it does.

I, for one, am glad that it matters to us.

I dont think Ronnie would be stupid to take an offer with less guaranteed money as long as the contract has PERFORMANCE clauses which kick in and THEN and only THEN does he get his money.

What I honestly see going on here is with Ricky back Ronnie and his people problably think he wont get to those milestones so easily. Hence, why he wants so much guaranteed, screwing the performance bonuses.

 

[poppy]

O.K. Here's what should happen. Ronnie Accepts the 19 million dollar signing bonus. Him and his agent market it as an example of Ronnie's team first attitude and commitment toward the long term health of the franchise. Ronnie get his agent off the hook by saying this is what he wanted to do despite his agents protestations. He makes the 3million up and then some via promotions and advertising featuring Miami's refreshing team first and humble #2 draft pick.


Its a win win win.


P.S. I should have majored in public relations. LOL

 

[tucker]

bad move poppy...i'm not even gonna get into all the holes in your post

 

[poppy]

bad move poppy...i'm not even gonna get into all the holes in your post

Do tell. Please. I'd love to hear it. :)

 

[LarryFinFan]

While I agree in concept that Brown can and should ask for anything he can. However, I can see how he thinks that he is worth the same money as a QB picked before him. QB is the most important position on the team with a 13-15 year longevity should he stay healthy. RB is much less crucial with a much shorter shelf life. Dont give me any BS about the shelf like of his career means he should get more money up front b/c thats bs. If he wanted 15 years he should have learned to THROW the ball.

Agreed, a QB is much more valuable to a team than a RB...but shame on the 49ers for signing a mediocre draft prospect to such a contract...

 

[tucker]

O.K. Here's what should happen. Ronnie Accepts the 19 million dollar signing bonus. Him and his agent market it as an example of Ronnie's team first attitude and commitment toward the long term health of the franchise. Ronnie get his agent off the hook by saying this is what he wanted to do despite his agents protestations. He makes the 3million up and then some via promotions and advertising featuring Miami's refreshing team first and humble #2 draft pick.

first it shows that his agent cant handle the pressure and would lose clients in the future and would lose out on upcoming clients b/c the agent didnt get what the player was worth...team first attitude doesnt make you money in the sense that you are showing...by ronnie saying that, it makes it look like he doesnt have control of his clients...there are never gaurantees that he would make that 3 million up, 1) he could get hurt, 2) you have to find someone willing to give you that 3 or so million...to find somoene who wants to promote "Miami's refreshing team first and humble #2 draft pick" doesnt entice to consumer...at least this is what i have learned from my marketing and management classes..

BUT it 'COULD' happen the way you mentioned..

 

[King Madison II]

ok people lets hold up here.

First off , if san fran decided to jump off the golden state bridge would the miami dolphins have to jump off a bridge ? i think 15 million is even too much for a rookie and if it was me i would have drafted jason campbell and morency . i would actually offer ronnie brown a 5 yr contract of 6 million a year for 5 years and that is as high as i would go.


by the way when is the next practice report due.

:horsey: :bry:

 

[ErroneousFlint]

Yeah. Take less than value simply because some fans think you should.

why not? without warm seats we dont have football, do we?
i say give him sh*t. screw him. his hearts not in the game, moreover, the team.

i said this before so i apologize but at least ricky walked away from the game when his heart wasnt into it. this clown isnt worth the MOD EDIT

Mod: I think you can make your point without being inappropriate and just down-out gross. Have a day to think about it.

 

[ErroneousFlint]

ok people lets hold up here.

First off , if san fran decided to jump off the golden state bridge would the miami dolphins have to jump off a bridge ? i think 15 million is even too much for a rookie and if it was me i would have drafted jason campbell and morency . i would actually offer ronnie brown a 5 yr contract of 6 million a year for 5 years and that is as high as i would go.


by the way when is the next practice report due.

:horsey: :bry:

even thats too generous. what if he gets hurt? guarentee him doodie. but your offer seems more reasonable than what the phins are offering. i dont like him already.