Tannehill changing how he attacks deep throws

[hoops]

This I agree with 100%. I see other QB's almost make a quick long throw early and let their guy run under it. Seem like when Tanny throws it Wallace has already broken open. When you see the man to man let her rip and see if Wallace can get there before the DB. I have major doubts it will happen, because it hasn't happened yet, but these 2 guys heating up would do wonders for the remainder of our season.

tanny isn't at the point with wallace yet where he is confident that wallace will beat a guy to the spot...in other words if wallace is a yard behind a guy when tanny should throw it he has to understand that by the time the ball arrives wallace will be a yard in front...wallace ability to hit that extra gear and separate while the ball is in flight is really rare and unique...but roethlisberger took time to figure that out about wallace also...it wasn't a from the get go thing with them either...

tannehills waiting for wallace to win before releasing the ball on some plays...and yeah with that speed if you do that you are gonna underthrow him...

just give it time...i swear i feel like i got to tell people that on everything cause they want instant gratification i guess...it's a work in progress...not that it's meant towards you...just the subject in general

 

[SCLSU Mud Dogs]

it's a timing based offense he's a timing based qb...you should disagree

I think there's something about this timing offense that just doesn't work. Seems too calculated when there's obviously other plays that can be made on the field.

 

[hoops]

I think there's something about this timing offense that just doesn't work. Seems too calculated when there's obviously other plays that can be made on the field.

i think it works pretty well...what do you think all those timing routes bullets outside the numbers are to hartline especially??? timing and rhythm based offense...doesn't mean we can't work him on some bootlegs and move the pocket stuff or rollouts etc cause he can do that too...it also doesn't mean that he's being treated like drew bledsoe either but with who that came from its not surprising i guess...

bledsoe was a statue...tannehill is far from that and doesn't play like one...most the routes or plays are timing based from the pocket...work in some other things but don't take that out...

also though to run these bootlegs and pa rollouts etc you got to establish the run and we haven't been doing a very good job at that thru 9 games...so it limits you somewhat...we should be using more move the pocket though and get tannehill on the move stuff and more motion with our wrs to get em off coverage specifically mike wallace who is too easy to bracket right now but that's on your oc...

 

[hoops]

the wr sets are too stagnant and lack imagination...at least this year we started stacking em...but using motion with the wrs would get some guys off coverage mainly wallace who the opposition wants to bracket and right now it's easy for them to and maybe more importantly or just as importantly it helps id coverage ie man or zone...motion gives away coverages and would help get wallace if shifted inside into the safeties and where he would be a major vertical threat...

of course this is provided the protection can hold up long enough...still wallace in the middle of the field off motion down the seam etc is gonna have safeties bailing like crazy and open up correct coverage read vertical comebacks or blow by ops etc...

i saw sherman say something about we aren't a big motion team cause he doesn't want to confuse the protections etc but i think that was more about the tight ends once they are set he wants to give them easy assignments and take away any guess work...

with the wrs though it's well past when we should have seen it

 

[roy_miami]

Maybe some of the problems are that wallace refuses to throw and catch with tannehill before the game. Maybe some of the problem is that wallace doesn't catch with his hands and he gives up on routes? Im tired of this tannehill sucks crap. Tannehill is the best qb we've had since Marino. How's that for a fact

Yep and maybe Wallace doesn't run full speed in practice for whatever reason screwing up timing in real games. I know the two times Tannehill did overthrow Wallace in a last gasp effort at the end of games Wallace clearly wasn't giving a full effort and those balls ended up being 20 yards too long.

 

[iambanned]

If a receiver plays smart on an underthrow, it's almost an easy PI penalty as the DB will almost always wind up running into the WR. The trick is not to look for the ball too early so as to tip off the defender. Wallace kinda looks back to soon a lot of the time, IMO.

While I do think that every overthrown ball is an incompletion (or worse, depending), there's a happy medium between 'in-stride' and vastly underthrown like too many of Tanny's balls. Those slight underthrows (which have led to some completions this year) are perfect for a receiver willing to attack the ball. That's where Wallace needs a kick in the butt. The WR should be able to pick up the ball sooner than the DB, which should give him an advantage in attacking the throw, positioning his body, drawing contact from the DB that leads to a PI call, etc. Wallace did do this really well on a play vs Indianapolis this year. The WR should always have the advantage of the DB.

 

[iambanned]

I agree about Hartline, too. The dude has made enough long plays to avoid the tag 'slow possession receiver'. It's ridiculous and shows bad journalism on the part of any broadcaster that says that. Hartline's problem is that he's not particularly good at attacking the ball or making acrobatic catches, as well as an inability to catch a ball in stride and keep running.
UGH! I hate when receivers fall down for no reason on perfectly thrown passes.

 

[Canadi-Phin]

the wr sets are too stagnant and lack imagination...at least this year we started stacking em...but using motion with the wrs would get some guys off coverage mainly wallace who the opposition wants to bracket and right now it's easy for them to and maybe more importantly or just as importantly it helps id coverage ie man or zone...motion gives away coverages and would help get wallace if shifted inside into the safeties and where he would be a major vertical threat...

of course this is provided the protection can hold up long enough...still wallace in the middle of the field off motion down the seam etc is gonna have safeties bailing like crazy and open up correct coverage read vertical comebacks or blow by ops etc...

i saw sherman say something about we aren't a big motion team cause he doesn't want to confuse the protections etc but i think that was more about the tight ends once they are set he wants to give them easy assignments and take away any guess work...

with the wrs though it's well past when we should have seen it

Hoops, you and I are on the same page with this offense. I would lvoe to have Wallace montion into the slot or into a 3 man bunch and then drive towards the middle of the field with a break to a corner route. If we have time a long drage route as well would be great. His speed could be used so much better than it is currently and not just long throws. Drags, Wr Screens are not tough passes. I wouldn't mind some Matthews by himself on one side and a screen to him. I think he can break some tackles.

 

[sharp]

Thats usually the problem in the NFL, stop overthinking the damn thing and just make the plays that got you to where you are now. It's not always about X's and O's, its about reacting and playing. It's why the best aren't robots.

 

[Canadi-Phin]

If a receiver plays smart on an underthrow, it's almost an easy PI penalty as the DB will almost always wind up running into the WR. The trick is not to look for the ball too early so as to tip off the defender. Wallace kinda looks back to soon a lot of the time, IMO.

While I do think that every overthrown ball is an incompletion (or worse, depending), there's a happy medium between 'in-stride' and vastly underthrown like too many of Tanny's balls. Those slight underthrows (which have led to some completions this year) are perfect for a receiver willing to attack the ball. That's where Wallace needs a kick in the butt. The WR should be able to pick up the ball sooner than the DB, which should give him an advantage in attacking the throw, positioning his body, drawing contact from the DB that leads to a PI call, etc. Wallace did do this really well on a play vs Indianapolis this year. The WR should always have the advantage of the DB.

I totally agree. I think we need to involve Wallace more early, especially on some long throws. Get him involved with some long throws that mhe screws up on. I think hecame here thinking he would be the focal point of the offense and we haven't fed into his ego. You can feed his ego and still have the offense run the way you want it.

 

[iambanned]

6 games left: Plenty of time for Wallace to shed all those 'bust' labels if he can start making big plays. The PI call against Cincy was instrumental in Miami winning that game, yet it wasn't a catch and didn't show up on his stat-sheet, neither has all the times he's been an effective decoy and opened up the field.

I'm one of the few to have never thought of Wallace as a bust. We'll see where we are in early January. (isn't that the end of the reg season?)

Tanny needs to be OK with overthrowing it a few times, too. I think he aims it when he sees Wallace so open. So long as it's just in-bounds, I'm OK with a couple cannon shots across the bow. In finding his range, he'll overcompensate a few times until he can zone it in. So far, he's only been short.

 

[mahmacoat]

he probably tenses up because of the worst pass protection in the league

 

[eminem79637]

hard to throw the ball deep when the pocket gets crushed like a tin can

 

[Shouright]

I think there's something about this timing offense that just doesn't work. Seems too calculated when there's obviously other plays that can be made on the field.

Precisely. :up:

Imagine if you were circumscribing Russell Wilson's game to "timing" alone, when you have this sort of history of ability you could be implementing:

[video=youtube;ClxFYIThbAE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ClxFYIThbAE[/video]

 

[PALMA]

Let rip Tannehill! Improve your play but a few degrees (consistently scoring between 27 - 31) and we're in the playoffs with a legit shot at winning a game. Going on the road against Cincy is not an impossible task.