Tannehill, Luck ,RG3 , Foles

[shamegame13]

I mean you could argue that Luck's 6.7 YPA (same as Tanny) was pretty pathetic. 570 for 3,822 yards is pathetic. Not saying Luck isn't clearly the better QB. I'm not blaming Lazor, it's a process and it's a new offense with a first time OC. Play calls like that read option on 3rd and short for example can be heaped on Lazor. I could take your word on it, I could also take the coaches word when they say the WR's aren't executing their routes or getting to the right depth. Something that can easily result in poor ball placement, if the guys aren't in the right position. I'm not absolving blame of Tanny, but you're not trying to hear my side anyway so it's all good. As a unit they're underperforming, and I'd be lying if I didn't expect to see a better effort out of Tannehill thus far, but the overreaction on this board is comical, and I see people like you just come out of the woodwork for a couple weeks, slink away and then creep back in when **** hits the fan.

**** has been hitting the fan since 2000 and gone non-stop for 14 years like a everlasting train wreck. So lets get that out of the way. Secondly, Luck had 8 less ints, 3 less fumbles, 6 more points on his rating, 139 more rushing yards, 3 more rushing TD's and wayyyyy more clutch spots then RT. That says enough for me. Im tired of placing blame on OC (we got a new one), OL (we got 4 new ones), WR (Mike Wallace was excellent with Roethlisberger, why all this sudden the dropoff?), and Defense (as long as Miami has been bad, our D is always stout-good). Maybe our QB just isnt that good (alas Dilfer) thats how we have to start using him.

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Seriously eh. Shouldn't be that hard to have a football discussion without blindly picking sides and making it about "oh I was right in week 2". Shouldn't be personal, I'm not going around rubbing how great Tannehill is in people's faces, I'm not obnoxious about it just cause I'm sitting behind a keyboard. These people are clowns, and it's not because they don't think Tannehill's a good QB, I might have to make an account at thephins at this rate.

You can't...Because he's just not that good.

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I highlighted the only contribution you truly made today, your mission statement. I'm not a Tannehill supporter nor detractor, but I am a frustrated fan. I will say that its as funny to watch the trolls come out after a bad game as it is to see them slither into hiding after a good game. Unfortunately, some of us cannot win when our teams lose, but I guess you have to pick a side for that. Ill never understand Internet forum politics, or the need to be right in the face of others whose opinions have no impact on our lives. Leave the agendas at home fellas. It's more than O.K to want change at this point, we're playing like ****. For some of you, this is personal....and it really shouldn't be.

I can tell, your a supporter, you were probably in that post last year that said he was the next Tom Brady... thats laughable in hindsight, speaking of hindsight, its such a great thing. Which is why I come here to relax all the fans that think RT is the next Tom Brady. And as far as agenda goes, I dont see a lot of the RT **** riders that I saw last year AFTER RT ****** us out of the playoffs with shameful loss' against dead in the water teams the Jets and Bills.

 

[FearTheBeard]

**** has been hitting the fan since 2000 and gone non-stop for 14 years like a everlasting train wreck. So lets get that out of the way. Secondly, Luck had 8 less ints, 3 less fumbles, 6 more points on his rating, 139 more rushing yards, 3 more rushing TD's and wayyyyy more clutch spots then RT. That says enough for me. Im tired of placing blame on OC (we got a new one), OL (we got 4 new ones), WR (Mike Wallace was excellent with Roethlisberger, why all this sudden the dropoff?), and Defense (as long as Miami has been bad, our D is always stout-good). Maybe our QB just isnt that good (alas Dilfer) thats how we have to start using him.

I'll happily address each of those freakouts. The team has been **** for years, but we've had some highs and you probably weren't around to post about them. As I sad literally right away Luck is the better QB, don't know how you missed that. I'm tired of seeing all the blame heaped on the QB when the team displays so many deficiencies. It's understandable for a newly implemented offense to struggle out of the gate, with a totally new OL and OC (tho if you recall we didn't struggle week 1...). The OL has 4 new ones...also has 4 new ones and an interior of mostly cast offs. Mike Wallace was excellent with Roethlisberger, I think the issue people have with him including myself is that for what we pay him he really isn't a very complete receiver and really struggles with contested catches, that was never his game and that's part of the reason I hated the signing at the time. He's still our best offensive playmaker. Personally I think the whole offense has underperformed, including the QB. That's not blaming everyone else and not the QB, I don't see how you can't get that through your head.

I'm not saying you're not going to be right come season close, I'm saying it's too early to judge a season in week 2. You'll probably be right because this is the Dolphins, but it wouldn't be through any reasoning or actual football knowledge.

 

[shamegame13]

I'll happily address each of those freakouts. The team has been **** for years, but we've had some highs and you probably weren't around to post about them. As I sad literally right away Luck is the better QB, don't know how you missed that. I'm tired of seeing all the blame heaped on the QB when the team displays so many deficiencies. It's understandable for a newly implemented offense to struggle out of the gate, with a totally new OL and OC (tho if you recall we didn't struggle week 1...). The OL has 4 new ones...also has 4 new ones and an interior of mostly cast offs. Mike Wallace was excellent with Roethlisberger, I think the issue people have with him including myself is that for what we pay him he really isn't a very complete receiver and really struggles with contested catches, that was never his game and that's part of the reason I hated the signing at the time. He's still our best offensive playmaker. Personally I think the whole offense has underperformed, including the QB. That's not blaming everyone else and not the QB, I don't see how you can't get that through your head.

I'm not saying you're not going to be right come season close, I'm saying it's too early to judge a season in week 2. You'll probably be right because this is the Dolphins, but it wouldn't be through any reasoning or actual football knowledge.

I've forgotten more about football then you will ever know. Simple as that. And im assuming your agreeing that RT's ceiling is that of Alex Smith?

 

[4th And Drunk]

Its worse than I thought. Ive noticed that there is no conversing with an agenda or pre concieved truth.

Absence of reason? Check. Devoid of critical thought? You bet. An open mind to discuss my opinions? Not when I'm right!

Sorry buddy this will be the last post of yours I entertain. I happen to value my time.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

I'll happily address each of those freakouts. .... Have a good one and go eat a bag of dicks.

All I have to say is you've been way more generous and patient in your responses than what was deserved. Kudos.

 

[shamegame13]

Its worse than I thought. Ive noticed that there is no conversing with an agenda or pre concieved truth.

Absence of reason? Check. Devoid of critical thought? You bet. An open mind to discuss my opinions? Not when I'm right!

Sorry buddy this will be the last post of yours I entertain. I happen to value my time.

I already know why your upset, you thought he was the second coming, I can tell because you got a Brian Hartline avatar and im assuming you think hes a good WR, right?

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All I have to say is you've been way more generous and patient in your responses than what was deserved. Kudos.

Because I speak the truth, I definatley know you because your the guy that always gives me negative reputation reviews, and thats fine, because you stick out to me. YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT RT... get over it. He sucks. Losing might be acceptable to you, but its not for me, sorry pal.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

I've forgotten more about football then you will ever know. Simple as that.

Is this one of your knowledge bombs that was forgotten as well.

Concerning UDFA Damian Williams 05-11-2014, 04:47 PM:

lets be real, this guy wont even see past week 3 in the preseason

It was easy to find because May was the last time you had posted anything before showing up Monday after the loss at 2 o'clock in the morning. G'nite Einstein.

 

[shamegame13]

Is this one of your knowledge bombs that was forgotten as well.

Concerning UDFA Damian Williams 05-11-2014, 04:47 PM:

It was easy to find because May was the last time you had posted anything before showing up Monday after the loss at 2 o'clock in the morning. G'nite Einstein.

None of your posts has anything to do with the OP, get a hobby ****

 

[4th And Drunk]

Is this one of your knowledge bombs that was forgotten as well.

Concerning UDFA Damian Williams 05-11-2014, 04:47 PM:

It was easy to find because May was the last time you had posted anything before showing up Monday after the loss at 2 o'clock in the morning. G'nite Einstein.

Hilarious, but absolutely predictable.

 

[shamegame13]

Hilarious, but absolutely predictable.

Whats that supposed to mean coming from the guy thats been here since 2011 and posted 112, either your my clone or the ultimate troll. (Or the guy that has to **** ride RT's junk till the day he gets cut/benched, then talks about how he never wanted RT)

 

[FearTheBeard]

Im tired of placing blame on OC (we got a new one), OL (we got 4 new ones), WR (Mike Wallace was excellent with Roethlisberger, why all this sudden the dropoff?), and Defense (as long as Miami has been bad, our D is always stout-good). Maybe our QB just isnt that good (alas Dilfer) thats how we have to start using him.

shamegame13
I didnt think it was all that good of a signing to begin with. No team should ever pay a 'one trick pony' the type of money that Wallace got! But, we are stuck with him.. at least for this year.

shamegame13
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Originally Posted by JC View Post
you won't say that to his face

C'mon man, he runs out of bounds whenever he sees a hit coming....hell, on that screen in the Indy game where he scored, that defender cracked the **** out of him, so please dont make Mike Wallace out to be some tough guy...hes as soft as Charmin toilet paper! Not to mention, his running style looks like he runs like a b****

http://www.finheaven.com/printthread.php?t=351866&pp=40&page=2

I'll just leave this here...what a surprise you can't actually stand by your initial evaluation...just shocked over here. I guess he sucks until we wanna heap all the blame on one guy, then all of a sudden he's this muscle car that our QB is too ****ty to use.

 

[4th And Drunk]

What's really confusing is he was a big Tannehill supporter not too long ago....

 

[FearTheBeard]

[video=youtube;h7EDmVwfmrE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7EDmVwfmrE[/video]

 

[shamegame13]

What's really confusing is he was a big Tannehill supporter not too long ago....

Never liked Tannehill keep digging though, I'll hand you the shovel! Nice Try Bud.

SHOW ME EVIDENCE INSTEAD OF TALKING OUT OF YOUR ***

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shamegame13
I didnt think it was all that good of a signing to begin with. No team should ever pay a 'one trick pony' the type of money that Wallace got! But, we are stuck with him.. at least for this year.

shamegame13
Quote:
Originally Posted by JC View Post
you won't say that to his face

C'mon man, he runs out of bounds whenever he sees a hit coming....hell, on that screen in the Indy game where he scored, that defender cracked the **** out of him, so please dont make Mike Wallace out to be some tough guy...hes as soft as Charmin toilet paper! Not to mention, his running style looks like he runs like a b****

http://www.finheaven.com/printthread.php?t=351866&pp=40&page=2

I'll just leave this here...what a surprise you can't actually stand by your initial evaluation...just shocked over here. I guess he sucks until we wanna heap all the blame on one guy, then all of a sudden he's this muscle car that our QB is too ****ty to use.

Wallace was overpaid, but Roethlisberger still managed to get the max potential out of him and RT can't. Simple as that.

Roethlisberger is a middle of the pack QB, so that should tell you everything about RT, bottom 10, doesn't do anything great, hes mediocre at EVERYTHING actually. As is Wallace, Wallace runs the nice 9 pattern and nothing else he does is great.

 

[Dolphin North]

I don't like these comparisons but here is a crazy statistic I just saw:

Foles had 331 yards passing tonight. 233 were from YAC. That's insane. That's... impressive.

I think that's what our offense is trying to do with the dinky screen passes. The difference is that we don't have LeSean McCoy and Darren Sproles, and a freakishly good downfield blocking OL.

Plus our receivers and backs have to adjust to the ball so often that it takes away from YAC. Until that changes we won't even get to see down field blocking attempted. This is what I have been saying for a year. As much as we'd all love to see the bombs to Wallace improve, it is more important that he puyt the ball where his receivers can quickly turn up field, or at least continue their momentum and not always adjust just to make the catch. It happens to all QB's but so often with Tannehill.
But speaking of the bombs to Wallace, this weeks miss illustrates his awareness problem that has also been apparent for years. That bomb to Wallace where he had his man beat and no help on the left side of the field...man Tannehill could have floated that ball pretty much anywhere to the left of Wallace as long as it wasn't sort or behind him. Wallace had to slow down and no catch. And once again we say it was only one pass, or it was Wallace's fault, or even though the blocking was good enough it usually isn't so how can Tannehill relax, or something else. So easy to overlook that the doesn't recognize that the has 1/3 of the field open and his guy has won inside.

Let me go get my fire extinguisher. I just pointed out the golden boy's most glaring 2 flaws, accuracy and awareness. Thou shall not criticize thine first round QB of ye QB starved franchise. Sorry, just the messenger.