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Tannehill versus Wilson: Did we draft the right quarterback?

We cannot judge Tanney unless we are using that judgment to compliment him because someone will always say it is too early. We can however judge QBs drafted in that same draft negatively. That is just a finheaven rule. I can say RG3 sucks but I must be patient with RT. I can say RT will be elite but I can't say he may suck. Just the way it goes. It's been that way with all of our QBs since Marino. At one point you were a hater for criticizing Henne.
 
I agree completely that questions regarding the system and the players we are surrounding Tannehill with are of utmost importance. But your point about selecting Wilson in the first round is an indictment of Parcell's rules for picking quarterbacks. Tannehill was selected because he more closely matched those criteria than Wilson did. What is it about the Brady's and Wilson's of the world that make general managers miss on players that have proven or are proving to be good leaders of their teams?

with only 19 college starts Tannehill doesn't fit Parcells' rules either
 
just to be fair. Wilson has a complete team around him and a home field advantage. We still have a little ways to go.

But......

Tannehill 1
Wilson 0

head to head.

Jim Kelly owns Dan Marino head to head. This isn't tennis.
 
I think T-Hill will be a good QB in this league, my issue is why did the Dolphins select him with the #8 pick. A trade down or 2nd round seems to be where he should have been drafted and my opinion is based on his performance in the NFL. He's been in Sherman's system for 4 years and that's more than Luck, RGIII, and Wilson, T-Hill should be much better than he is playing. Also he would be close to 4000 yards passing and 23 tds if he had a better deep ball.

The fact that Mike Shanahan has repeatedly let anyone who will listen know that he wanted to stand pat and take Tannehill with Washington's first round pick instead of mortgaging the team for Robert The Knee III leads me to believe that Tannehill wouldn't have been available in the 2nd round. You may recall that Jacksonville had the #7 overall pick and was basically advertising to anyone and everyone that if someone wanted to draft RT, they were going to have to trade up with Jacksonville to do it. I can't imagine he would have made it to #40.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. I think Andrew Luck is the best QB in that draft class, but he's sure not showing it right now. We'll see.
 
Jim Kelly owns Dan Marino head to head. This isn't tennis.

But Jim Kelly played 4 Super Bowls in his 11 years as pro, while great Dan only got a Super Sunday in 17 years.
Yards, passes and TDs are parameters of greatness, but AFC titles are huge parameters too.
 
with only 19 college starts Tannehill doesn't fit Parcells' rules either

Agreed, he did break that rule, but the remaining rules regarding size and body type were heavily in Tannehill's favor.

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Opportunity Cost: we could have had Kuechly and Wilson. No contest and I don't want hear anything from stat boy who doesn't watch Wilson play.

Kuechly and Wilson. No disrespect to Tannehill, but if Ireland had made those picks even I would become an Ireland fanboy.
 
We shouldn't be comparing anything.

Wilson plays in a offense that plays to his strengths, he's not asked to do much but hit wide open guys after a PA fake.
I don't know what he is asked to do, but I think he looks great all around. The comparison does not matter to me though.
I do give them credit for drafting him when others did not. I did not like Pete Carroll before (patriots) be he sure is looking good now. I don't mean with either guy, that they have a good record. I mean I like all the little things I see. Good Team. But may Miami kick your butt soon.
 
I like Wilson and who knows, he may be better. However I think Tannehill is showing he isn't phased by working with inferior talent and turmoil, so he fits what we need in a Dolphins QB at this time. I take Tannehill.
 
It's easier to become great if you're already been great. Somehow I forgot that basic summary in my previous post. I don't like the projections from mid tier to top tier. Seems like we specialize in that. It might explain the lack of star players.

Even Jordan is a projection. That's what some of the network analysts were saying when they knocked that pick last spring. Jordan wasn't a full time player with obvious long term high production, and similarly when we drafted Ronnie Brown #2 he wasn't even the feature back on his team. At some point it should register.

I'm not the biggest Marino fan, considering we evolved into a cupcake team under his style. But that's the type of pick I favor, naming someone who was a long term star but had fallen out of favor due to recent nitpicking and a handful of less than awesome games. When he got Reggie Bush it was the same type of thing, low expenditure considering the ability level.
 
Look, right now in all tangible and intangible criteria, no one is in Wilson's class (although his team's strengths and and how he's utilized sure don't hurt) - with the possible exception of Foles, although we'll see what happens once all the tape is out on him like Kapernick. It's pretty clear that aside from 4 years of college seasoning, and a superior mobility, without Reggie Wayne, Luck has fallen back into the Tannehill cluster and one really must wonder how THill would have looked with RW last season, or Luck without him in either Indy or Miami. Also while Luck is the better QB now as he should be, I dunno that he has more - if not as much potential upside as RyanT. RG3 is proving himself to be half the QB when he cannot utililze his greatest strength of mobility since he's a China Doll strapped to a railroad track (although I sure wish Tannehill had his long ball accuracy) - so IMO he's fallen below Luck and RT17, but is still above Weeden. Bottom Line: everyone passed on Wilson for a reason. Through the 20/20prism of the rear view mirror, he's certainly worth the #2 where RG3 went (and RG3 should have then gone in the teens), but at that time, Tannehill, who Optimum Drafting Scouts rated as "most moldable" was a good pick given the remaining market of and for QBs (KC probably would have taken him at 12 per the scuttlebutt) and while he may or may not epitomize Wilson, he certainly possesses the measurables, resiliency, accuracy to have that potential upside. Beyond that, this time last season Cam Newton was a joke on the field and on the sidelines in his 2nd year. No one's laughing now.

Couldn't even read this gobbly gook, I got a headache after the first 2 sentences. Obviously Jeff Ireland's son is just talking nonsense and doesn't even know what he's talking about. That's what happens when people who never played the game try to talk about it.
 
I'm not the biggest Marino fan, considering we evolved into a cupcake team under his style. But that's the type of pick I favor, naming someone who was a long term star but had fallen out of favor due to recent nitpicking and a handful of less than awesome games. When he got Reggie Bush it was the same type of thing, low expenditure considering the ability level.

I had the good fortune of watching Marino play in college up at Florida State in Tallahassee. I know it wasn't the only game of his senior season, but he looked pretty impressive in that game playing against a great opponent. I personally think the scouts should ignore games played against cupcake competition.
 
you're kidding? foles has plenty of weapons, what he doesn't have is a bonifide number 1 defense and the best home field advantage in the league.

And lets wait until next yr when teams have good game film on him and that new offense, to game plan against...then let's see how well he does...not to mention his stats and wins were against the Giants, TB, OAK, GB. WASH, and ARI the only good team in that bunch is ARI and they were robbed on that final drive and should have won....the kid has put up big numbers against poor defenses and he hasn't turned the ball over while throwing 19 touchdowns (7 against the Raiders lol) but I will wait until next yr or at least this yr when he has to play in the playoffs....with Det, Chicago, Dal and the Vikings up next I expect them to win the division...Lets see how he preforms against a good Defense before we say he's a star......
 
tom brady wasn't great at michigan...russell wilson has become one of the rare and few exceptions to the height rule of thumb at the qb position...bet you anything those exceptions are much more few and far between on the latter...

so i don't buy that if you've been great it's easier to be great thing...there's exceptions to everything...

and i'm definitely gonna give a pass to a qb for not being great who in college only played qb for two years...the first 2 of which he played wr...brandon weeden put up damn good numbers at okla st and he's hot garbage...

i think people are afraid of this kid being great or something...only qb since 1998 this team has had who will throw for 20 or more tds in a season...and in year two no less with plenty of meat on the bone growth wise left...whatever maybe when he hits the 30 td mark people will wake up...doubt it...:lol:
 
As for Wilson, I would swap him for RT in a heart beat...the kid is tough, smart and accurate passer who can run and smart enough not to take a clean hit....he is a film room nut like Manning..... I love RT and think he will be a very good QB for us in the future but I know Wilson is that QB already.....the kid comes up big in the big games he doesn't turn the ball over and he makes the players around him better......listening to him talk after the Monday night game you can tell he is a strong leader...this kid is the next great super star in this league.....he has a 108.5 QB rating playing in the toughest division in football, in only his second season....as a rookie he had a 100QB rating he by far is the best QB in the draft, I wouldn't think twice about the switch......
 
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Couldn't even read this gobbly gook, I got a headache after the first 2 sentences. Obviously Jeff Ireland's son is just talking nonsense and doesn't even know what he's talking about. That's what happens when people who never played the game try to talk about it.


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edit: any douchebag who roots for our QB's injury so his beloved could get a shot IMO doesn't deserve to ready any****inthing on this site period!
 
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